otoh I also don’t think cutting off contact with anyone “impure”, or refusing to read stuff you disapprove of, is either practical or necessary. we can engage with people and things without being mechanically “nudged” by them.
Is there a particular reason to believe this? Or is it more of a hope?
I think what might help is engaging with different kinds of people. A group’s pressure is weaker if you also meet people who openly believe that the group is a group of idiots. You can voice your concerns without fearing disapproval; but even if some things are difficult to explain to outsiders, at least you have a mental model of someone who would disagree.
But I also suspect that some people would just develop a different persona for each group, and let themselves be peer-pressured towards different extremes on different occasions.
some people would just develop a different persona for each group
That is possible but maybe only more likely if the groups are very clearly separate, such as when you are in a faraway country for a long time. But if you are e.g. in a multi-cultural city where there are many maybe even overlapping groups or where you can’t easily tell which group it is, it is more difficult to “overfit” and easier to learn a more general strategy. I think universal morality is something of the more general case of this.
Julian Jaynes would say that this is how human consciousness as we know it today has evolved.
Which makes me wonder, what would he say about the internet bubbles we have today. Did we perhaps already reach peak consciousness, and now the pendulum is swinging back? (Probably not, but it’s an interesting thought.)
Is there a particular reason to believe this? Or is it more of a hope?
it’s an introspection/lived-experience/anecdotes from other people kind of thing, i don’t have data, but yes i do believe this is true.
I think what might help is engaging with different kinds of people. A group’s pressure is weaker if you also meet people who openly believe that the group is a group of idiots. You can voice your concerns without fearing disapproval; but even if some things are difficult to explain to outsiders, at least you have a mental model of someone who would disagree.
But I also suspect that some people would just develop a different persona for each group, and let themselves be peer-pressured towards different extremes on different occasions.
That is possible but maybe only more likely if the groups are very clearly separate, such as when you are in a faraway country for a long time. But if you are e.g. in a multi-cultural city where there are many maybe even overlapping groups or where you can’t easily tell which group it is, it is more difficult to “overfit” and easier to learn a more general strategy. I think universal morality is something of the more general case of this.
Julian Jaynes would say that this is how human consciousness as we know it today has evolved.
Which makes me wonder, what would he say about the internet bubbles we have today. Did we perhaps already reach peak consciousness, and now the pendulum is swinging back? (Probably not, but it’s an interesting thought.)