I don’t think it was articulated quite right—it’s more negative than my overall stance (I wrote it when unhappy) and a little too short-termist.
I do still believe that the future is unpredictable, that we should not try to “constrain” or “bind” all of humanity forever using authoritarian means, and that there are many many fates worse than death and we should not destroy everything we love for “brute” survival.
And, also, I feel that transience is normal and only a bit sad. It’s good to save lives, but mortality is pretty “priced in” to my sense of how the world works. It’s good to work on things that you hope will live beyond you, but Dark Ages and collapses are similarly “priced in” as normal for me. Sara Teasdale: “You say there is no love, my love, unless it lasts for aye; Ah folly, there are episodes far better than the play!” If our days are as a passing shadow, that’s not that bad; we’re used to it.
I worry that people who are not ok with transience may turn themselves into monsters so they can still “win”—even though the meaning of “winning” is so changed it isn’t worth it any more.
I do think this comes back to the messages in On Green and also why the post went down like a cup of cold sick—rationality is about winning. Obviously nobody on LW wants to “win” in the sense you describe, but more winning over more harmony on the margin, I think.
The future will probably contain less of the way of life I value (or something entirely orthogonal), but then that’s the nature of things.
wait and see if i still believe it tomorrow!
I don’t think it was articulated quite right—it’s more negative than my overall stance (I wrote it when unhappy) and a little too short-termist.
I do still believe that the future is unpredictable, that we should not try to “constrain” or “bind” all of humanity forever using authoritarian means, and that there are many many fates worse than death and we should not destroy everything we love for “brute” survival.
And, also, I feel that transience is normal and only a bit sad. It’s good to save lives, but mortality is pretty “priced in” to my sense of how the world works. It’s good to work on things that you hope will live beyond you, but Dark Ages and collapses are similarly “priced in” as normal for me. Sara Teasdale: “You say there is no love, my love, unless it lasts for aye; Ah folly, there are episodes far better than the play!” If our days are as a passing shadow, that’s not that bad; we’re used to it.
I worry that people who are not ok with transience may turn themselves into monsters so they can still “win”—even though the meaning of “winning” is so changed it isn’t worth it any more.
I do think this comes back to the messages in On Green and also why the post went down like a cup of cold sick—rationality is about winning. Obviously nobody on LW wants to “win” in the sense you describe, but more winning over more harmony on the margin, I think.
The future will probably contain less of the way of life I value (or something entirely orthogonal), but then that’s the nature of things.
I think 2 cruxes IMO dominate the discussion a lot that are relevant here:
Will a value lock-in event happen, especially soon in a way such that once the values are locked in, it’s basically impossible to change values?
Is something like the vulnerable world hypothesis correct about technological development?
If you believed 1 or 2, I could see why people disagreed with Sarah Constantin’s statement on here.