“I can’t learn the material for you” as opposed to “if you want to climb Mt Everest, you have to do it for yourself rather than for someone else”.
I’m not sure I understand the difference, can you make it more explicit?
“I can’t learn the material for you”: if I learn it, it won’t achieve the goal of you having learned it, i.e. you knowing the material.
“I can’t climb the mountain for you”: if I climb it, the prestige and fun will be mine; I can’t give you the experience of climbing the mountain unless you climb it yourself.
The two cases seem the same...
if people care about others being pure, it seems they can just as easily care about others being caring. And that we should think about people trying to observe the norm of caring and making sure others do, rather than trying to care effectively. Is that right?
Yes, that’s what I think is happening: people observing norms and judging others on observing them, rather than on achieving goals efficiently or achieving more. Consequentially, we want to save everyone. Morally, we don’t judge people harshly for not saving everyone as long as they’re doing their best—and we don’t expect them to make an extraordinary effort.
And so, I don’t see a significant difference between Harm/Care and the other foundations.
I’m not sure I understand the difference, can you make it more explicit?
“I can’t learn the material for you”: if I learn it, it won’t achieve the goal of you having learned it, i.e. you knowing the material.
“I can’t climb the mountain for you”: if I climb it, the prestige and fun will be mine; I can’t give you the experience of climbing the mountain unless you climb it yourself.
The two cases seem the same...
Yes, that’s what I think is happening: people observing norms and judging others on observing them, rather than on achieving goals efficiently or achieving more. Consequentially, we want to save everyone. Morally, we don’t judge people harshly for not saving everyone as long as they’re doing their best—and we don’t expect them to make an extraordinary effort.
And so, I don’t see a significant difference between Harm/Care and the other foundations.
Sorry, I meant to reply and can’t see how to delete the top-level comment.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/c5Nc9hEA9QA937Nmv/meaning-and-moral-foundations-theory#9E56sP53x8jxnnhSL