Oft discussed here and is shown to be empirically wrong in math and physics (if you define “excel” as “make notable discoveries”). Probably also wrong in comp. sci., chem and to a lesser degree in engineering. It might still be true in some nascent areas where one does not need 10 years of intense studying to get to the leading edge.
There is one good example of an unschooled mathematician:Ramanujan. The lack of need for special equipment in maths probably has something to do with it.
Yes, he is definitely an exception. Unfortunately, I cannot think of anyone else in the last 100 years. Possibly because these days anyone brilliant like that ends up in the system. Which is a good thing, if true.
Oft discussed here and is shown to be empirically wrong in math and physics (if you define “excel” as “make notable discoveries”). Probably also wrong in comp. sci., chem and to a lesser degree in engineering.
That sounds like a list of non-diseased disciplines. Is this by chance? Alternatively, it’s the STEM subjects. Same thing?
On the other hand, if “excel” is “do well in life” then, I don’t know. But that is the reading that the original context of the quote suggests to me:
The emphasis laid by sociologists upon mass phenomena and their idolization of the common man are an offshoot of the myth that all men are biologically equal. Whatever differences exist between individuals are caused, it is maintained, by postnatal circumstances. If all people equally enjoyed the benefits of a good education, such differences would never appear. The supporters of this doctrine are at a loss to explain the differences among graduates of the same school and the fact that many who are self-taught far excel the doctors, masters, and bachelors of the most renowned universities. They fail to see that education cannot convey to pupils more than the knowledge of their teachers. Education rears disciples, imitators, and routinists, not pioneers of new ideas and creative geniuses. The schools are not nurseries of progress and improvement but conservatories of tradition and unvarying modes of thought. The mark of the creative mind is that it defies a part of what it has learned or, at least, adds something new to it. One utterly misconstrues the feats of the pioneer in reducing them to the instruction he got from his teachers. No matter how efficient school training may be, it would only produce stagnation, orthodoxy, and rigid pedantry if there were no uncommon men pushing forward beyond the wisdom of their tutors.
Also an interesting view of education. One of the ancients said that the mind is not a pot to be filled but a fire to be ignited(1), and nobler teachers see the aim of their profession as the igniting of that fire in their students. However, Mises appears to take the view that this is impossible (he does not limit his criticism of education to any time and place), that teaching cannot be anything but the filling of a pot, and the igniting of the fire can come only from the inner qualities of the individual, incapable of being influenced from outside.
(1) As usually quoted. I’ve just added the original source of this to the quotes thread.
They fail to see that education cannot convey to pupils more than the knowledge of their teachers.
One of the more popular ideals of education is summarized in this quote from Malcolm Forbes:
Education’s purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one.
Hmm, probably deserves a top-level comment. Anyway, the reality is that some people are happy with imitations, while others strive for creativity:
The mark of the creative mind is that it defies a part of what it has learned or, at least, adds something new to it.
So good education is beneficial to creative types, as well, since to defy something or to add to something, you have to learn that something first.
No matter how efficient school training may be, it would only produce stagnation, orthodoxy, and rigid pedantry if there were no uncommon men pushing forward beyond the wisdom of their tutors.
A bit harsh, given that many people are at least a little bit creative.
igniting of the fire can come only from the inner qualities of the individual, incapable of being influenced from outside.
Not sure if this is Mises’ opinion or what he argues against, but, again, seems a bit harsh. There are always the outliers, but for the majority of people this “igniting” is a combination of nature and nurture.
Oft discussed here and is shown to be empirically wrong in math and physics (if you define “excel” as “make notable discoveries”). Probably also wrong in comp. sci., chem and to a lesser degree in engineering. It might still be true in some nascent areas where one does not need 10 years of intense studying to get to the leading edge.
There is one good example of an unschooled mathematician:Ramanujan. The lack of need for special equipment in maths probably has something to do with it.
Yes, he is definitely an exception. Unfortunately, I cannot think of anyone else in the last 100 years. Possibly because these days anyone brilliant like that ends up in the system. Which is a good thing, if true.
That sounds like a list of non-diseased disciplines. Is this by chance? Alternatively, it’s the STEM subjects. Same thing?
On the other hand, if “excel” is “do well in life” then, I don’t know. But that is the reading that the original context of the quote suggests to me:
Also an interesting view of education. One of the ancients said that the mind is not a pot to be filled but a fire to be ignited(1), and nobler teachers see the aim of their profession as the igniting of that fire in their students. However, Mises appears to take the view that this is impossible (he does not limit his criticism of education to any time and place), that teaching cannot be anything but the filling of a pot, and the igniting of the fire can come only from the inner qualities of the individual, incapable of being influenced from outside.
(1) As usually quoted. I’ve just added the original source of this to the quotes thread.
One of the more popular ideals of education is summarized in this quote from Malcolm Forbes:
Hmm, probably deserves a top-level comment. Anyway, the reality is that some people are happy with imitations, while others strive for creativity:
So good education is beneficial to creative types, as well, since to defy something or to add to something, you have to learn that something first.
A bit harsh, given that many people are at least a little bit creative.
Not sure if this is Mises’ opinion or what he argues against, but, again, seems a bit harsh. There are always the outliers, but for the majority of people this “igniting” is a combination of nature and nurture.