This seems to point to a difference in how people’s motivational systems appear from the inside: maybe for some, “pleasure” is an obvious, atomic concept which they can constantly observe as driving their behavior,
Remembered pleasure and pleasure felt in the moment are two distinct things, towards which is the “obvious” one?
My immediate idea of the terms pleasure and suffering is that “pleasure” is an emotion while suffering is more of an activity. The opposite of “suffering” would for me be “enjoying”.
There a state where you laugh and a state of warm relaxation. Both feel good but both are different. How does pleasure relate to that?
Life satisfaction is another variable in that space.
There are interactions I might have with another person where the person is going to laugh and feel energy but where the person would answer “No” if I would ask them whether they want to engage in a certain action.
If you come from preference utilitarians it’s important to ensure consent. If you just care about hedonics and are skilled enough to predict the results of your action and know the actions produce pleasure, consent isn’t an issue anymore.
The difference matters if you analyse what some PUA people do.
Remembered pleasure and pleasure felt in the moment are two distinct things, towards which is the “obvious” one?
My immediate idea of the terms pleasure and suffering is that “pleasure” is an emotion while suffering is more of an activity. The opposite of “suffering” would for me be “enjoying”.
There a state where you laugh and a state of warm relaxation. Both feel good but both are different. How does pleasure relate to that? Life satisfaction is another variable in that space.
There are interactions I might have with another person where the person is going to laugh and feel energy but where the person would answer “No” if I would ask them whether they want to engage in a certain action.
If you come from preference utilitarians it’s important to ensure consent. If you just care about hedonics and are skilled enough to predict the results of your action and know the actions produce pleasure, consent isn’t an issue anymore.
The difference matters if you analyse what some PUA people do.