I followed the link, and wow that was a bad article. After sampling some of the structureless, self-indulgent writing, I realized I’ve actually read a few posts from him before. My personal favorite is this, where he takes a break from rambling about some internet celebrity to explain that we are all sheeple for not turning widescreen monitors sideways.
But what makes The Last Psychiatrist really awful is that he pretends to be wise. One very easy way to establish oneself as Wise and Profound is to baldly make some seemingly self-contradictory or obviously false statement. It’s important not to actually argue for this claim, simply make it, and sneer at anyone who disagrees. A great example:
What you don’t understand consciously is that your judgment of risk is based on the fact that you believe in God, and this is even more true if you think you don’t believe in God. I can sense your resistance to this idea because you think you don’t believe in God, but sadly for your immortal soul, you do.
Heh, you think you don’t believe in god? Think again, sheeple! The Last Psychiatrist doesn’t need evidence, he just makes reality up as he goes.
For what it’s worth, The Last Psychiatrist used to be interesting, but then he started ranting about how everyone (else) is a narcissist without giving any clue about what a non-narcissistic approach to life would be like.
For what it’s worth, The Last Psychiatrist used to be interesting, but then he started ranting about how everyone (else) is a narcissist without giving any clue about what a non-narcissistic approach to life would be like.
Replace “narcissist” with “hypocrite” and that’s a good description of Robin Hanson.
Which raises the question—if Hanson turns out to be massively hypocritical on something, does that undermine or support his whole Homo hypocritus paradigm?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Hanson’s whole point that everyone is naturally hypocritical, and has been made that way via millions of years of evolution optimized to handle social politics in small forager bands? Wouldn’t a “non-[hypocritical] approach to life” be something that Hanson’s theory would predict wouldn’t exist?
sheeple for not turning widescreen monitors sideways
Why on Earth would I want to do that? By keeping it horizontal I can see two pages of the book I’m reading at once, as I would if I was reading a printed copy!
I’ve noticed a lot of older users tend to have only one application maximized on their screens. I suspect that’s because they got used to using computers when displays were smaller and it was impractical to keep more than one application open on the desktop. These days displays are huge and cheap, so most people use them with the originally intended “desktop metaphor”. Like widescreen monitors, desks are typically wide rectangles, that let you view multiple documents/applications at a time.
In context it refers to the very same fallacy mentioned in Beyond the Reach of God just put into psychoanalytic terms. I understand if you dislike the style. I completely understand if you think psychoanalysis has a really shitty use of words, but that’s really what he’s saying, and you would have known if you were paying attention.
The point made in Beyond the Reach of God, that the universe can really hurt, kill and maim you without moral limit, that cancer isn’t only allowed to happen to you in theory, but really to you, at any moment, that catastrophies like the holocaust, and the collapse of science in the middle east, and really can and do happen, is a real point that deserves to be made again and again. And again. And again.
You’re actually citing evidence that supports my position. Yudkowsky makes it explicit in his essay that he didn’t “get it” before, but that he does now. That goes against The Last Psychiatrist’s claim that everyone (everyone!) makes decisions as thought they believe in God
The hyperbole of “everyone” you’re focusing on doesn’t really seem a significant argument against him, when a bias so widespread is being discussed. The purpose is to get his ideas across with a sharp style, not to be 100% accurate, and if he were to say that this happens not to you necessarily, but rather to 99.9% of people, then 99% of his readers would probably think they personally fell inside the 0.1% that was immune to such thinking...
I’m likewise now pulling those numbers out of my ass, btw, for the purposes of illustrating my point, not the purpose of being 100% accurate.
Not literally God, just faith in the idea that bad things above a certain threshold somehow aren’t allowed to happen to you. Sometimes the power is thought to be in some other, real or unreal entity, like the state or the fed or democracy or science or whatever. And sometimes it’s not. It’s just a bias, floating around in your thoughts in ways you aren’t terribly aware of.
He wasn’t generalizing from one example. He cites many example of people talking and thinking like this.
I’m going to go ahead and take his side on this one. It’s just a bias. It’s a cognitive malfunction of your brain that you might be able to work your way around by reframing if you remain vigilantly aware of it, or you construct a formula (like an actuary would) and operate according to that formula with as little input from the relevant buggy software in your brain as possible, but the bias is still there. For the vast, vast, vast, majority of people that bias is here to stay.
Like scope sensitivity, I really don’t think there’s much fixing it (without upgrading the hardware) and I just basically don’t believe people who think they have accomplished this via mental discipline. It’s possible, but it seems extremely unlikely. What’s more, a claim like that seems motivated by exactly the same kind of optimistic bias.
I followed the link, and wow that was a bad article. After sampling some of the structureless, self-indulgent writing, I realized I’ve actually read a few posts from him before. My personal favorite is this, where he takes a break from rambling about some internet celebrity to explain that we are all sheeple for not turning widescreen monitors sideways.
But what makes The Last Psychiatrist really awful is that he pretends to be wise. One very easy way to establish oneself as Wise and Profound is to baldly make some seemingly self-contradictory or obviously false statement. It’s important not to actually argue for this claim, simply make it, and sneer at anyone who disagrees. A great example:
Heh, you think you don’t believe in god? Think again, sheeple! The Last Psychiatrist doesn’t need evidence, he just makes reality up as he goes.
For what it’s worth, The Last Psychiatrist used to be interesting, but then he started ranting about how everyone (else) is a narcissist without giving any clue about what a non-narcissistic approach to life would be like.
Replace “narcissist” with “hypocrite” and that’s a good description of Robin Hanson.
Which raises the question—if Hanson turns out to be massively hypocritical on something, does that undermine or support his whole Homo hypocritus paradigm?
I think Hanson’s been showing more variation lately.
Possible, I stopped reading him several years ago.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Hanson’s whole point that everyone is naturally hypocritical, and has been made that way via millions of years of evolution optimized to handle social politics in small forager bands? Wouldn’t a “non-[hypocritical] approach to life” be something that Hanson’s theory would predict wouldn’t exist?
In that case what cluster in thing-space does the word “hypocrite” cut out?
Why on Earth would I want to do that? By keeping it horizontal I can see two pages of the book I’m reading at once, as I would if I was reading a printed copy!
I’ve noticed a lot of older users tend to have only one application maximized on their screens. I suspect that’s because they got used to using computers when displays were smaller and it was impractical to keep more than one application open on the desktop. These days displays are huge and cheap, so most people use them with the originally intended “desktop metaphor”. Like widescreen monitors, desks are typically wide rectangles, that let you view multiple documents/applications at a time.
In context it refers to the very same fallacy mentioned in Beyond the Reach of God just put into psychoanalytic terms. I understand if you dislike the style. I completely understand if you think psychoanalysis has a really shitty use of words, but that’s really what he’s saying, and you would have known if you were paying attention.
The point made in Beyond the Reach of God, that the universe can really hurt, kill and maim you without moral limit, that cancer isn’t only allowed to happen to you in theory, but really to you, at any moment, that catastrophies like the holocaust, and the collapse of science in the middle east, and really can and do happen, is a real point that deserves to be made again and again. And again. And again.
You’re actually citing evidence that supports my position. Yudkowsky makes it explicit in his essay that he didn’t “get it” before, but that he does now. That goes against The Last Psychiatrist’s claim that everyone (everyone!) makes decisions as thought they believe in God
The hyperbole of “everyone” you’re focusing on doesn’t really seem a significant argument against him, when a bias so widespread is being discussed. The purpose is to get his ideas across with a sharp style, not to be 100% accurate, and if he were to say that this happens not to you necessarily, but rather to 99.9% of people, then 99% of his readers would probably think they personally fell inside the 0.1% that was immune to such thinking...
I’m likewise now pulling those numbers out of my ass, btw, for the purposes of illustrating my point, not the purpose of being 100% accurate.
Not literally God, just faith in the idea that bad things above a certain threshold somehow aren’t allowed to happen to you. Sometimes the power is thought to be in some other, real or unreal entity, like the state or the fed or democracy or science or whatever. And sometimes it’s not. It’s just a bias, floating around in your thoughts in ways you aren’t terribly aware of.
He wasn’t generalizing from one example. He cites many example of people talking and thinking like this.
I’m going to go ahead and take his side on this one. It’s just a bias. It’s a cognitive malfunction of your brain that you might be able to work your way around by reframing if you remain vigilantly aware of it, or you construct a formula (like an actuary would) and operate according to that formula with as little input from the relevant buggy software in your brain as possible, but the bias is still there. For the vast, vast, vast, majority of people that bias is here to stay.
Like scope sensitivity, I really don’t think there’s much fixing it (without upgrading the hardware) and I just basically don’t believe people who think they have accomplished this via mental discipline. It’s possible, but it seems extremely unlikely. What’s more, a claim like that seems motivated by exactly the same kind of optimistic bias.