One thing that clarified part of what’s up with the word “frame” is that I think there are (at least) three different metaphors people are using when they say frame: Picture Frame, Window Frame (or Lens), and Framework, which each have slightly different connotations. (They roughly correspond to ways of communicating, ways of seeing, and ways of thinking). But I do think people inadvertently use the ‘frame’ metaphor without noticing that they are using it in slightly different ways.
I think John Wentworth’s Shared Frames Are Capital Investments is a post with a more precise articulation of what a frame is and why it’s useful, which I think is (slightly) more likely to land for you.
I am unconvinced. It seems like a classic case of “you could think of it as” (cf. my reply to Vaniver). One major objection I had when reading was: “aren’t you just talking about discovering various important truths (and then figuring out important consequences of those truths)?” Wentworth gestures at this in one or two places, but does not really grapple with it. After reading the post, I still don’t see any particularly good reason to think of things in terms of “frames”. (It’s perhaps notable that there are no examples given either of competing “frames” which are, in some sense, both “correct”, nor of any cases of intentionally creating a useful “frame”—this despite the section on creating frames!)
I am increasingly convinced that this “frame” business is a red herring—and “frame control” doubly so.
I read the first linked post (yours) and it seemed… muddled. There’s some interesting points to be made here, clearly, but I’m afraid that I don’t think that you succeed at making them well; and I am not sure that the whole “frames” metaphor (?) is particularly productive there. Indeed, I think that those points may be made more sharply without trying to tie them to “frames” (or to each other via “frames”).
I have not yet read the other post; I will report back when I’ve done so.
One thing that clarified part of what’s up with the word “frame” is that I think there are (at least) three different metaphors people are using when they say frame: Picture Frame, Window Frame (or Lens), and Framework, which each have slightly different connotations. (They roughly correspond to ways of communicating, ways of seeing, and ways of thinking). But I do think people inadvertently use the ‘frame’ metaphor without noticing that they are using it in slightly different ways.
I think John Wentworth’s Shared Frames Are Capital Investments is a post with a more precise articulation of what a frame is and why it’s useful, which I think is (slightly) more likely to land for you.
I have now read John Wentworth’s post.
I am unconvinced. It seems like a classic case of “you could think of it as” (cf. my reply to Vaniver). One major objection I had when reading was: “aren’t you just talking about discovering various important truths (and then figuring out important consequences of those truths)?” Wentworth gestures at this in one or two places, but does not really grapple with it. After reading the post, I still don’t see any particularly good reason to think of things in terms of “frames”. (It’s perhaps notable that there are no examples given either of competing “frames” which are, in some sense, both “correct”, nor of any cases of intentionally creating a useful “frame”—this despite the section on creating frames!)
I am increasingly convinced that this “frame” business is a red herring—and “frame control” doubly so.
Thank you for the links.
I read the first linked post (yours) and it seemed… muddled. There’s some interesting points to be made here, clearly, but I’m afraid that I don’t think that you succeed at making them well; and I am not sure that the whole “frames” metaphor (?) is particularly productive there. Indeed, I think that those points may be made more sharply without trying to tie them to “frames” (or to each other via “frames”).
I have not yet read the other post; I will report back when I’ve done so.