The budget stalemate in the US Congress was caused entirely by blocks of voters and representatives that coalesced around strong sets of opinions that few people would have come up with on their own, and by political party leaders forcing representatives in their parties to toe the party line. Politics isn’t the mind killer. Political parties are the mind-killer.
Why are we assuming the “budget stalemate in the US Congress” is a problem that needs solving? What kind of evidence do you have access to that allows you to conclude that something as complicated as this is “caused entirely by” anything?
Also, the fact you didn’t checktheliterature on political parties before coming up with your own “solution” to the “problem” is weak confirming evidence that politics is still the mind-killer. I don’t think politics should be banned on Less Wrong, but if we are going to discuss it it would be wise to start at a fundamental level rather than with a contemporary policy debate.
Why are we assuming the “budget stalemate in the US Congress” is a problem that needs solving?
For me, it’s because I have a basic grasp of politics and the economy.
Also, the fact you didn’t check the literature on political parties before coming up with your own “solution” to the “problem” is weak confirming evidence that politics is still the mind-killer.
I don’t appreciate baseless accusations. What do you even mean when you say I didn’t check the literature? What evidence do you have of whatever it is you’re thinking of?
I don’t think politics should be banned on Less Wrong, but if we are going to discuss it it would be wise to start at a fundamental level rather than with a contemporary policy debate.
This is not a contemporary policy debate. It is a question that opens with a contemporary example.
Why are we assuming the “budget stalemate in the US Congress” is a problem that needs solving?
For me, it’s because I have a basic grasp of politics and the economy.
The founders, for obvious and excellent reasons, tried to structure the system so that violently controversial stuff could not get done, so that to govern effectively you needed a widespread consensus.
There is no consensus on spending unprecedented gobs of money, and it is not obvious that there should be such a consensus. Hence, gridlock. It is not a bug, it is a feature.
If the only effect of gridlock were to limit spending, that could be a feature. But the effect of gridlock in this case would be to stop government spending suddenly, and put a few million people out of a job suddenly, as well as immediately downgrading American bonds and the dollar, and other consequences as well. Calling this a feature is like building a train that jumps off the tracks if it goes over 100MPH and calling it a safety feature.
For me, it’s because I have a basic grasp of politics and the economy.
I actually have formal training in political science, so I think you’ll understand why I don’t (non-negligibly) update my beliefs in the direction of the policy advocated in your post simply because you claim to understand the basics.
I don’t appreciate baseless accusations. What do you even mean when you say I didn’t check the literature? What evidence do you have of whatever it is you’re thinking of?
Baseless? Hardly. You addressed exactly zero of the standard arguments for the beneficial effect of political parties in your post (let alone refuted them). Entire volumes have been dedicated to exploring at least 3 of the 4 questions you raised.
Oddly enough, you actually claim that political parties obliterate information, whereas the majority of political scientists believe that they provide voters with additional information that would be too costly to accumulate on their own. Since you didn’t even mention as much, seems to indicate that you are unfamiliar with the relevant literature.
This is not a contemporary policy debate. It is a question that opens with a contemporary example.
Opening with a contemporary example is exactly what I meant we shouldn’t do. Discussing politics rationally is hard enough as it is without bringing in examples that people have already “chosen sides” on. It would be much wiser to draw your example from Ancient Athens or the Republic of Venice or anything that people aren’t emotionally invested in.
Why are we assuming the “budget stalemate in the US Congress” is a problem that needs solving? What kind of evidence do you have access to that allows you to conclude that something as complicated as this is “caused entirely by” anything?
Also, the fact you didn’t check the literature on political parties before coming up with your own “solution” to the “problem” is weak confirming evidence that politics is still the mind-killer. I don’t think politics should be banned on Less Wrong, but if we are going to discuss it it would be wise to start at a fundamental level rather than with a contemporary policy debate.
For me, it’s because I have a basic grasp of politics and the economy.
I don’t appreciate baseless accusations. What do you even mean when you say I didn’t check the literature? What evidence do you have of whatever it is you’re thinking of?
This is not a contemporary policy debate. It is a question that opens with a contemporary example.
The founders, for obvious and excellent reasons, tried to structure the system so that violently controversial stuff could not get done, so that to govern effectively you needed a widespread consensus.
There is no consensus on spending unprecedented gobs of money, and it is not obvious that there should be such a consensus. Hence, gridlock. It is not a bug, it is a feature.
If the only effect of gridlock were to limit spending, that could be a feature. But the effect of gridlock in this case would be to stop government spending suddenly, and put a few million people out of a job suddenly, as well as immediately downgrading American bonds and the dollar, and other consequences as well. Calling this a feature is like building a train that jumps off the tracks if it goes over 100MPH and calling it a safety feature.
I actually have formal training in political science, so I think you’ll understand why I don’t (non-negligibly) update my beliefs in the direction of the policy advocated in your post simply because you claim to understand the basics.
Baseless? Hardly. You addressed exactly zero of the standard arguments for the beneficial effect of political parties in your post (let alone refuted them). Entire volumes have been dedicated to exploring at least 3 of the 4 questions you raised.
Oddly enough, you actually claim that political parties obliterate information, whereas the majority of political scientists believe that they provide voters with additional information that would be too costly to accumulate on their own. Since you didn’t even mention as much, seems to indicate that you are unfamiliar with the relevant literature.
Opening with a contemporary example is exactly what I meant we shouldn’t do. Discussing politics rationally is hard enough as it is without bringing in examples that people have already “chosen sides” on. It would be much wiser to draw your example from Ancient Athens or the Republic of Venice or anything that people aren’t emotionally invested in.
Also, aren’t we supposed to hold off on proposing solutions?
That was needlessly provocative. I’d ask you to provide your argument, but that would just lead to a mind-killing conversation.