I think the moderation frames you listed would be sufficient for the majority of community members. Mild carrots and mild sticks serve as guardrails to control the behavior of the median rationalist who may be somewhat prickly and stubborn.
These frames don’t really seem to have much to say about the highly visible moderation disasters I’ve observed. I’ve seen posters create armies of abusive sockpuppets and outflank attempts to crack down on them. I’ve seen trolls systematically pollute every thread with negativity until they grew bored with the project. I’ve seen cranks post numerous threads in a short period of time and flood the feeds with a hundred comments per day about their idiosyncratic interest. None of these people were, nor could they have been, coerced by softer, reputation-based moderation policies. The reason for the disaster is that they don’t care about their reputation in the community or the actively despise the community.
I’m mentioning this because I feel like this brand of bad poster has done much more damage than the essentially well-meaning but slightly tone deaf kind of rationalist who usually reacts to a slap on the wrist by actually adjusting their behavior. And the only set of policies I’ve ever really observed to successfully deal with bad faith posters was (1) to require a small registration fee and (2) ban people after two or three strikes. And I don’t think there’s anything like the political will to make LW2 a paid service. I just don’t see another general solution.
I think the moderation frames you listed would be sufficient for the majority of community members. Mild carrots and mild sticks serve as guardrails to control the behavior of the median rationalist who may be somewhat prickly and stubborn.
These frames don’t really seem to have much to say about the highly visible moderation disasters I’ve observed. I’ve seen posters create armies of abusive sockpuppets and outflank attempts to crack down on them. I’ve seen trolls systematically pollute every thread with negativity until they grew bored with the project. I’ve seen cranks post numerous threads in a short period of time and flood the feeds with a hundred comments per day about their idiosyncratic interest. None of these people were, nor could they have been, coerced by softer, reputation-based moderation policies. The reason for the disaster is that they don’t care about their reputation in the community or the actively despise the community.
I’m mentioning this because I feel like this brand of bad poster has done much more damage than the essentially well-meaning but slightly tone deaf kind of rationalist who usually reacts to a slap on the wrist by actually adjusting their behavior. And the only set of policies I’ve ever really observed to successfully deal with bad faith posters was (1) to require a small registration fee and (2) ban people after two or three strikes. And I don’t think there’s anything like the political will to make LW2 a paid service. I just don’t see another general solution.