Ah, the sweaty macho fantasyland never gets old. It has been a while since the last time the neoreactionaries posted anything entertaining.
I see parts of mainstream society are now neoreactionary from your point of view.
What social benefit can be gained from legal nose-breaking is beyond my comprehension.
1) its safer than illegal underground boxing clubs
2) physical excersize
3) fun
Not all martial arts result in nose-breaking. Grappling is somewhat safer.
But more to the point, we could go through hobbies you enjoy and argue why they should be made illegal. Do you drink? Do drugs? Have promiscuous anal sex? (1) All of these are dangerous, not that making them illegal would actually stop people doing them.
Or maybe you don’t do any of these things. Maybe you live an entirely cerebral life. And that’s ok, but it doesn’t give you the right to look down your nose at sweaty macho people who enjoy sport.
Simply put, in Maletopia it would suck to be a woman.
Why? Are you claiming that all women hate martial artists? And its explicitly stated that there are lots of tribes, so those who don’t like it can just leave.
1) not trying to be homophobic here, straight people can have anal sex too
Simply put, in Maletopia it would suck to be a woman.
Why?
Women would essentially be second-class citizens—after all, they’d be living in a society designed around men’s needs only.
I’m going to make an exception here from my normal practice and speak specifically as a woman: Those raids sound fun! But I’d probably be excluded from most teams. And as far as partners, my ideal partner would be a Mannfolk-type manly-man, who respects me as an equal—something that DeVliegenteHollander doesn’t seem to think exists. (Perhaps he’s right. If so, that might partially explain my series of pathetic failures at romance.)
I can’t speak for what DeVliegenteHollander believes, but he does say:
there are butch amazon fighting tribes, and of course a million similar hobby organizations for people who are not fighters, for the Mentsh, for women who dislike fighting, for LGBT people, for the disabled, for all.
I got the impression that Maletopia was more of a hobby than a society, but even if it is a society where women are second-class citizens, if there are a million different societies then women who do not want to be treated as second-class citizens can just join egalitopia instead (and for women who do want to be second-class citizens, well, there’s nothing wrong with being a sub).
Women aren’t equal to men in terms of sheer muscle mass, and won’t be until humanity gains mastery over biology. But there are some very skilled female martial artists, and IMO its more interesting to watch a battle of skill than of brute force.
But I’d probably be excluded from most teams.
In real life competitive sports are segregated too, apart from tennis and, apparently, Muggle quidditch. But I don’t want to be subject to status quo bias—just because this is the default doesn’t mean its optimal.
And as far as partners, my ideal partner would be a Mannfolk-type manly-man, who respects me as an equal—something that DeVliegenteHollander doesn’t seem to think exists. (Perhaps he’s right. If so, that might partially explain my series of pathetic failures at romance.)
Don’t get depressed, few people find romance easy, and there are egalitarian manly men. I know some of them. In many ways I am one of them.
(Not that I’m hitting on you—I don’t know you and you probably live thousands of miles away. Just saying that there’s a lot of different people out there.)
I see parts of mainstream society are now neoreactionary from your point of view.
No, the NRx and the machos have overlapping Venn diagrams. Neither one is a subset of the other.
it doesn’t give you the right to look down your nose at sweaty macho people who enjoy sport
I have nothing against vigorous exercise. I have a lot against trivializing/romanticizing physical harm.
in Maletopia it would suck to be a woman.
Why?
Egalitarian relationships can be expected only from one subset of the available men. The Manfolk tribe isn’t under any social pressure to treat women like sentient beings.
I have nothing against vigorous exercise. I have a lot against trivializing/romanticizing physical harm.
“sweaty macho” does sound like you are looking down your nose at sport in general, although perhaps this was not intentional. Anyway, I too am wary of martial arts that involve taking blows to the head, but I don’t think this provides sufficient justification for legislating against it.
If we extend to being against romanticizing mental/emotional harm too (and I don’t see why we shouldn’t), then we get into arguments over the superhappies from ‘three worlds collide’ and whether its meaningful to experience happiness without sadness.
Egalitarian relationships can be expected only from one subset of the available men. The Manfolk tribe isn’t under any social pressure to treat women like sentient beings.
If women don’t want to interact with Manfolk because they don’t treat women like sentient beings, then this creates social pressure to treat women like sentient beings. OTOH, if women do want to interact with Manfolk, then it would only suck to be a woman if women consistently make choices that make them unhappy, such as the choice to interact with Manfolk. But if women cannot make sensible choices, then they shouldn’t be in egalitarian relationships anyway.
But regardless, your statement conflates ‘Egalitarian relationships’ with ‘treat women like sentient beings’. Adults have dominant relationships over children. Do adults think that children are non-sentient?
Furthermore, you have a really stereotypical view of macho people. I know martial arts people, including one who has been in cagefights, and he is really feminist. (The rest of them are mostly into egalitarian relationships as well, except for a few those who are into consensual BDSM)
OTOH, I’ve only met one person who’s in the army, and he threatened to sexually assault me in my sleep. I’ve heard the hypothosis that 80% of people in the army are sociopaths. But there’s a difference between people who would enjoy ritualised combat in controlled conditions, and people who think that killing sounds like a good career.
I see parts of mainstream society are now neoreactionary from your point of view.
1) its safer than illegal underground boxing clubs 2) physical excersize 3) fun
Not all martial arts result in nose-breaking. Grappling is somewhat safer.
But more to the point, we could go through hobbies you enjoy and argue why they should be made illegal. Do you drink? Do drugs? Have promiscuous anal sex? (1) All of these are dangerous, not that making them illegal would actually stop people doing them.
Or maybe you don’t do any of these things. Maybe you live an entirely cerebral life. And that’s ok, but it doesn’t give you the right to look down your nose at sweaty macho people who enjoy sport.
Why? Are you claiming that all women hate martial artists? And its explicitly stated that there are lots of tribes, so those who don’t like it can just leave.
1) not trying to be homophobic here, straight people can have anal sex too
Women would essentially be second-class citizens—after all, they’d be living in a society designed around men’s needs only.
I’m going to make an exception here from my normal practice and speak specifically as a woman: Those raids sound fun! But I’d probably be excluded from most teams. And as far as partners, my ideal partner would be a Mannfolk-type manly-man, who respects me as an equal—something that DeVliegenteHollander doesn’t seem to think exists. (Perhaps he’s right. If so, that might partially explain my series of pathetic failures at romance.)
I can’t speak for what DeVliegenteHollander believes, but he does say:
I got the impression that Maletopia was more of a hobby than a society, but even if it is a society where women are second-class citizens, if there are a million different societies then women who do not want to be treated as second-class citizens can just join egalitopia instead (and for women who do want to be second-class citizens, well, there’s nothing wrong with being a sub).
Women aren’t equal to men in terms of sheer muscle mass, and won’t be until humanity gains mastery over biology. But there are some very skilled female martial artists, and IMO its more interesting to watch a battle of skill than of brute force.
In real life competitive sports are segregated too, apart from tennis and, apparently, Muggle quidditch. But I don’t want to be subject to status quo bias—just because this is the default doesn’t mean its optimal.
Don’t get depressed, few people find romance easy, and there are egalitarian manly men. I know some of them. In many ways I am one of them.
(Not that I’m hitting on you—I don’t know you and you probably live thousands of miles away. Just saying that there’s a lot of different people out there.)
No, the NRx and the machos have overlapping Venn diagrams. Neither one is a subset of the other.
I have nothing against vigorous exercise. I have a lot against trivializing/romanticizing physical harm.
Egalitarian relationships can be expected only from one subset of the available men. The Manfolk tribe isn’t under any social pressure to treat women like sentient beings.
“sweaty macho” does sound like you are looking down your nose at sport in general, although perhaps this was not intentional. Anyway, I too am wary of martial arts that involve taking blows to the head, but I don’t think this provides sufficient justification for legislating against it.
If we extend to being against romanticizing mental/emotional harm too (and I don’t see why we shouldn’t), then we get into arguments over the superhappies from ‘three worlds collide’ and whether its meaningful to experience happiness without sadness.
If women don’t want to interact with Manfolk because they don’t treat women like sentient beings, then this creates social pressure to treat women like sentient beings. OTOH, if women do want to interact with Manfolk, then it would only suck to be a woman if women consistently make choices that make them unhappy, such as the choice to interact with Manfolk. But if women cannot make sensible choices, then they shouldn’t be in egalitarian relationships anyway.
But regardless, your statement conflates ‘Egalitarian relationships’ with ‘treat women like sentient beings’. Adults have dominant relationships over children. Do adults think that children are non-sentient?
Furthermore, you have a really stereotypical view of macho people. I know martial arts people, including one who has been in cagefights, and he is really feminist. (The rest of them are mostly into egalitarian relationships as well, except for a few those who are into consensual BDSM)
OTOH, I’ve only met one person who’s in the army, and he threatened to sexually assault me in my sleep. I’ve heard the hypothosis that 80% of people in the army are sociopaths. But there’s a difference between people who would enjoy ritualised combat in controlled conditions, and people who think that killing sounds like a good career.
I think less than half of the women I’ve dated wanted an egalitarian relationship. And I strongly prefer women who want an egalitarian relationship.