You’ve completely left out the bit about reproduction, which is key.
I asked you explicitly about whether you believe the sentences that involved reproduction and you didn’t answer. Previously you seemed to be denying them. Now you seem to be reaffirming them—but never clearly enough.
You don’t seem to want to convey clarity, and I don’t have the time for this.
And since the ultimate function of each function is to enhance probability of reproduction,
By “ultimate” you just mean “something that had to get partially optimized by natural processes or we wouldn’t be here discussing this”.
And since the ultimate function of each function is to enhance probability of reproduction, then harms can in principle be measured by observing reproduction patterns.
We’re Godshatter, which means that our minds don’t consider “harm” or “good” a single thing, not even reproductive success.
If you are saying that theoretically our minds (or an artificial mind) could have been made to consider a single thing to be harm: failure in reproduction, then that’s obviously true. An artificial mind could be considered to treat our reproductive success as the only metric for our well-being. One of the most obvious ways for an uFAI to destroy us: It can remove most of our brains and any other desire other than our reproductive drive, and keep us packed up as cattle to be bred (while doing us no “harm” by your definition, as we’d be enjoying reproductive success as its cattle)
But if you’re saying that what actual real-life current-day people consider ’harm” is only what impedes their reproductive success, that’s obviously and unquestionably false. If you truly believe that, then you must bite the bullet and accept that the above-mentioned cattle scenario doesn’t constitute harm.
Once again your words reduce to either trivially true or obviously false.
I asked you explicitly about whether you believe the sentences that involved reproduction and you didn’t answer. Previously you seemed to be denying them. Now you seem to be reaffirming them—but never clearly enough.
You don’t seem to want to convey clarity, and I don’t have the time for this.
By “ultimate” you just mean “something that had to get partially optimized by natural processes or we wouldn’t be here discussing this”.
We’re Godshatter, which means that our minds don’t consider “harm” or “good” a single thing, not even reproductive success.
If you are saying that theoretically our minds (or an artificial mind) could have been made to consider a single thing to be harm: failure in reproduction, then that’s obviously true. An artificial mind could be considered to treat our reproductive success as the only metric for our well-being. One of the most obvious ways for an uFAI to destroy us: It can remove most of our brains and any other desire other than our reproductive drive, and keep us packed up as cattle to be bred (while doing us no “harm” by your definition, as we’d be enjoying reproductive success as its cattle)
But if you’re saying that what actual real-life current-day people consider ’harm” is only what impedes their reproductive success, that’s obviously and unquestionably false. If you truly believe that, then you must bite the bullet and accept that the above-mentioned cattle scenario doesn’t constitute harm.
Once again your words reduce to either trivially true or obviously false.