Could someone please explain the response to this comment? What I’m most curious about are the responses to the attached poll replies. Multiple people have downvoted each entry in the poll without comment. This ruins the poll for the participants, as one can no longer tell how many people have voted for each option. Do not do this on polls until either LW shows more than net votes, or there is a better way to poll.
I also don’t understand downvoting this comment without criticizing it and helping me fix its problems. I have discussed this topic with several LW participants and have gotten each of the two types of responses multiple times, and I think a previously undiscussed issue that gets divergent intuitions from people who theretofore have believed themselves having very similar philosophies is potentially interesting. If I am not criticized, I do not know how to improve. It is currently sitting at −2 but it has been upvoted several times as well, five or more people have downvoted without comment.
I’m not shy about posting things in discussion if I think they merit it, but I didn’t think this topic did, so I posted it in the open thread. If this issue is not appropriate for an open thread, where is it appropriate for?
I’ve not downvoted you, nor participated in the poll, but...
...your question about how relative ‘status’ is, reminds me of debates about whether a tree falling in the forest makes a sound. Depends how one defines the word. You don’t seem to have an option in your poll for “Depends how one defines ‘status’ ”.
...also you seem to be first posing a detailed specific scenario with a concrete question about what happens with the fires on the first and second islands—but then the polls don’t offer that specific, concrete question, they offer the vague “status is relative/not all relative” questions instead. Which seems you want to jumble different questions together, or making people seem to support one thing by answering another. Or something.
In short it all seems a bit muddled. Mind you, as I said, I wasn’t among the people downvoting this, so I don’t know their own reasoning behind their votes.
I am not used to making up intuition pumps. I will try to become better at writing them.
Depends how one defines the word.
This is a legitimate response, and I certainly didn’t intend to debate or try and discover the true meaning of a word. However, it consists of the claim that for somewhat reasonable definitions of “status”, “status is all relative” is true, and for others, “status is not all relative” is true. I consider that equivalent to “status is not all relative”—something I will make clear. By “status is all relative” I mean something like: “for no reasonable (to me, though this is something I expect others can guess at with good accuracy) definition of status is status anything but relative”.
Part of the difficult expressing this is part of why I resorted to examples, and I do take to heart that difficulty expressing an idea is often a sign it isn’t coherent.
Multiple people have downvoted each entry in the poll without comment. This ruins the poll for the participants, as one can no longer tell how many people have voted for each option.
One user upvoted “Status is not all relative”, two users upvoted “Status is all relative”, those three users downvoted the karma sink, and three other users downvoted all three comments.
Could someone please explain the response to this comment? What I’m most curious about are the responses to the attached poll replies. Multiple people have downvoted each entry in the poll without comment. This ruins the poll for the participants, as one can no longer tell how many people have voted for each option. Do not do this on polls until either LW shows more than net votes, or there is a better way to poll.
I also don’t understand downvoting this comment without criticizing it and helping me fix its problems. I have discussed this topic with several LW participants and have gotten each of the two types of responses multiple times, and I think a previously undiscussed issue that gets divergent intuitions from people who theretofore have believed themselves having very similar philosophies is potentially interesting. If I am not criticized, I do not know how to improve. It is currently sitting at −2 but it has been upvoted several times as well, five or more people have downvoted without comment.
I’m not shy about posting things in discussion if I think they merit it, but I didn’t think this topic did, so I posted it in the open thread. If this issue is not appropriate for an open thread, where is it appropriate for?
I’ve not downvoted you, nor participated in the poll, but...
...your question about how relative ‘status’ is, reminds me of debates about whether a tree falling in the forest makes a sound. Depends how one defines the word. You don’t seem to have an option in your poll for “Depends how one defines ‘status’ ”.
...also you seem to be first posing a detailed specific scenario with a concrete question about what happens with the fires on the first and second islands—but then the polls don’t offer that specific, concrete question, they offer the vague “status is relative/not all relative” questions instead. Which seems you want to jumble different questions together, or making people seem to support one thing by answering another. Or something.
In short it all seems a bit muddled. Mind you, as I said, I wasn’t among the people downvoting this, so I don’t know their own reasoning behind their votes.
Thank you for your feedback!
I am not used to making up intuition pumps. I will try to become better at writing them.
This is a legitimate response, and I certainly didn’t intend to debate or try and discover the true meaning of a word. However, it consists of the claim that for somewhat reasonable definitions of “status”, “status is all relative” is true, and for others, “status is not all relative” is true. I consider that equivalent to “status is not all relative”—something I will make clear. By “status is all relative” I mean something like: “for no reasonable (to me, though this is something I expect others can guess at with good accuracy) definition of status is status anything but relative”.
Part of the difficult expressing this is part of why I resorted to examples, and I do take to heart that difficulty expressing an idea is often a sign it isn’t coherent.
I edit the post to try again.
One user upvoted “Status is not all relative”, two users upvoted “Status is all relative”, those three users downvoted the karma sink, and three other users downvoted all three comments.
Thank you very much!