Pretty much every variation on a religion you can think of has been thought up by someone, at some time in the past. You can’t use that as your criteria for “ancient tradition” without making the whole concept of “ancient tradition” meaningless because now everything is one. How mainstream was the belief that Genesis is not literal?
For that matter, since religion is supposed to provide eternal truth, the idea of having a minority tradition in sometinng seems problematic. If a religion has multiple traditions at once, how do you decide which one counts as the “real” one that nonbelievers should be criticizing? And if the ancients had beliefs A or B, but moderns only have A, how do you decide that that counts as the ancients believing A (so you can claim that moderns are following tradition) rather than as the ancients believing B (which means that moderns are breaking with tradition)?
How mainstream was the belief that Genesis is not literal?
Well, the three authors that I listed are among the most influential early doctors of the church, so their views are definitely mainstream (albeit not universally held).
You can’t use that as your criteria for “ancient tradition” without making the whole concept of “ancient tradition” meaningless because now everything is one.
I don’t know about that. I listed three very influential early Christian theologians who took much of Genesis to be non literal.
how exactly do you figure out which tradition is the “real” one
Your point that there are divergent views on the matter of how literally to take Genesis is certainly true and not in dispute. I alluded to that fact in my post when I said:
it is certainly the case that some believers traditionally interpreted Genesis literally (and some still do)
However, I don’t see how that conflicts with my point that one can interpret the serpent story metaphorically without breaking with early mainstream Christian traditions. Moreover, you wrote:
For that matter, since religion is supposed to provide eternal truth, the idea of having a minority tradition in sometinng seems problematic—how exactly do you figure out which tradition is the “real” one...?
I don’t see how the fact that there are divergent interpretations of some scriptural stories is particularly surprising or problematic, unless you are trying judge ancient religious texts against the stylistic standards of modern historical or scientific writing (which presumably most people would not recommend doing).
I don’t see how the fact that there are divergent interpretations of some scriptural stories is particularly surprising or problematic
It’s problematic because it provides a ready-made excuse to deny having changed when you get something wrong and you’re forced to change. “Oh, we didn’t really change anything, look, we’re following this old tradition”, even though you could have decided any one of several mutually exclusive things and still been able to claim you’re following a tradition.
Beliefs about whether or not the snake is literal are not, and never were, “core beliefs” of Christians. Core beliefs are the things that are contained in the creed, like that Jesus rose from the dead and so on.
If you found conclusive scientific proof that Jesus did not rise from the dead, very few Christians would accept that. The reaction to that, no matter how strong the proof, would be very different from the reaction to evolution.
Pretty much every variation on a religion you can think of has been thought up by someone, at some time in the past. You can’t use that as your criteria for “ancient tradition” without making the whole concept of “ancient tradition” meaningless because now everything is one. How mainstream was the belief that Genesis is not literal?
For that matter, since religion is supposed to provide eternal truth, the idea of having a minority tradition in sometinng seems problematic. If a religion has multiple traditions at once, how do you decide which one counts as the “real” one that nonbelievers should be criticizing? And if the ancients had beliefs A or B, but moderns only have A, how do you decide that that counts as the ancients believing A (so you can claim that moderns are following tradition) rather than as the ancients believing B (which means that moderns are breaking with tradition)?
Well, the three authors that I listed are among the most influential early doctors of the church, so their views are definitely mainstream (albeit not universally held).
I don’t know about that. I listed three very influential early Christian theologians who took much of Genesis to be non literal.
Your point that there are divergent views on the matter of how literally to take Genesis is certainly true and not in dispute. I alluded to that fact in my post when I said:
However, I don’t see how that conflicts with my point that one can interpret the serpent story metaphorically without breaking with early mainstream Christian traditions. Moreover, you wrote:
I don’t see how the fact that there are divergent interpretations of some scriptural stories is particularly surprising or problematic, unless you are trying judge ancient religious texts against the stylistic standards of modern historical or scientific writing (which presumably most people would not recommend doing).
It’s problematic because it provides a ready-made excuse to deny having changed when you get something wrong and you’re forced to change. “Oh, we didn’t really change anything, look, we’re following this old tradition”, even though you could have decided any one of several mutually exclusive things and still been able to claim you’re following a tradition.
Beliefs about whether or not the snake is literal are not, and never were, “core beliefs” of Christians. Core beliefs are the things that are contained in the creed, like that Jesus rose from the dead and so on.
If you found conclusive scientific proof that Jesus did not rise from the dead, very few Christians would accept that. The reaction to that, no matter how strong the proof, would be very different from the reaction to evolution.