Sad to be low-status, but unwilling to gain that status back by doing the dishes.
On interesting aspect here is that most actual cults have no problem giving people dish duties if they think those people should do it. Lack of getting them to do the dishes is an example of little pressure being put on them even when they didn’t add value.
Yeah, as far as I know (I am not yet in the middle of the article—and in the meanwhile I already did the dishes twice, hung up the laundry, and read a bedtime story to my kids, hehe), living in Leverage sounds like lots of fun… if you enjoy that type of thing, and if you are able to survive outside the bubble.
Generally, group houses are a controversial topic on Less Wrong. Whenever you mention them, someone says “awesome” and someone else screams in horror. I am on the “awesome” side… but that is because I am already capable of living the normal life, so if I joined such project and something went wrong, I could simply… leave. I am also able to keep my boundaries, so I would be like “the entire weekend is my personal free time” (and I am using it to meet people outside this group), and if the group is not okay with that, then I quit (it helps that I have the “fuck-you money”). Though I suspect that with this attitude, I wouldn’t get hired in the first place… which perhaps points towards the problem (that the group members were selected, perhaps unintentionally, for their potential to become dependent on Geoff/group).
Are group houses a controversial topic here? My impression is that overall LW is much more positively inclined toward them than the general public. With a view like, “group houses are something that works really well for the right people, though they aren’t for everyone.” I’ve seen reactions where people say that they personally wouldn’t want to live in one, but I don’t think I’ve seen people saying that they are harmful in general?
I think I remember some very negative comments on the “Dragon Army” post, but I can’t find them now.
There was a time in the past where people were a bit hysterical about whether LW is a cult or not, and talking about living together was one of the triggers. Recently, everyone seems to have calmed down.
On interesting aspect here is that most actual cults have no problem giving people dish duties if they think those people should do it. Lack of getting them to do the dishes is an example of little pressure being put on them even when they didn’t add value.
Yeah, as far as I know (I am not yet in the middle of the article—and in the meanwhile I already did the dishes twice, hung up the laundry, and read a bedtime story to my kids, hehe), living in Leverage sounds like lots of fun… if you enjoy that type of thing, and if you are able to survive outside the bubble.
Generally, group houses are a controversial topic on Less Wrong. Whenever you mention them, someone says “awesome” and someone else screams in horror. I am on the “awesome” side… but that is because I am already capable of living the normal life, so if I joined such project and something went wrong, I could simply… leave. I am also able to keep my boundaries, so I would be like “the entire weekend is my personal free time” (and I am using it to meet people outside this group), and if the group is not okay with that, then I quit (it helps that I have the “fuck-you money”). Though I suspect that with this attitude, I wouldn’t get hired in the first place… which perhaps points towards the problem (that the group members were selected, perhaps unintentionally, for their potential to become dependent on Geoff/group).
Are group houses a controversial topic here? My impression is that overall LW is much more positively inclined toward them than the general public. With a view like, “group houses are something that works really well for the right people, though they aren’t for everyone.” I’ve seen reactions where people say that they personally wouldn’t want to live in one, but I don’t think I’ve seen people saying that they are harmful in general?
(Disclosure: I live in a group house of sorts)
I think I remember some very negative comments on the “Dragon Army” post, but I can’t find them now.
There was a time in the past where people were a bit hysterical about whether LW is a cult or not, and talking about living together was one of the triggers. Recently, everyone seems to have calmed down.
Dragon Army was, in their own words, a “high-commitment, high-standards, high-investment group house model with centralized leadership”. Reading through the negative comments, they’re about ways in which people expect this complex project to go poorly, and not about group houses in general: https://web.archive.org/web/20180117095209/http://lesswrong.com/lw/p23/dragon_army_theory_charter_30min_read/
https://medium.com/@ThingMaker/dragon-army-retrospective-597faf182e50