I have kept quite far from the discussion but it seems to be slowly ungoing and starts tt become relevant just as a thing going in LW. I expect engaging with such long takes to be unwiedly. I did want to say some pointers.
crackpot vs wonk: Like people ar not the villais of their stories persons themselfs should believe in their epistemic process. So every crackpot should classify themselfs as (at worst) wonks. Saying “It is okay I am a wonk” will not really help.
I think the reference class on what was going on is thin in that not very much similar things are going on. But I think that comparing to esblished institutions is not reallt proper. Stanford prison experiment was ran but now we are of the stance that similar setups should not be done. There can be a reason of “we didn’t know it was dangerous” like how Marie Curie dies from the research topic. But once we start to know then liability starts to attach. I would also not discredit of the humanitarian harms that german WWII scientists because they were part of an ambitious order. Milgram experiment also shows that people don’t need any or much modifification to be making dangerous decisions in far off settings. Road to hell is paved with good intentions and if high aims starts to waive damages it de facto gives a licence to destroy. Sure thinki big and shoot a rocket out your lawn but if the neighbour complains about their cruched dog you really ought to have bought or arranged the safezones. Skimping out on that because you want to succeed quicker/ with less resources is not thiking big but thinking greedy.
I can understand a military operation or skydiving to have a casualty rate but if your math research or psyholoogy program has a causalty rate it raises questions how that can come to be as it doesn’t strike like that kind of activity. Further more even if I have opted into a risky business keeping the risk-deal current can be relevant. If I had a laboratory working on “what is this radioacitvy thing?” and then don’t tell people when casualties arise right away but say wait for 6 months keeping the risk information assymmetry seems exploitative.
I have kept quite far from the discussion but it seems to be slowly ungoing and starts tt become relevant just as a thing going in LW. I expect engaging with such long takes to be unwiedly. I did want to say some pointers.
crackpot vs wonk: Like people ar not the villais of their stories persons themselfs should believe in their epistemic process. So every crackpot should classify themselfs as (at worst) wonks. Saying “It is okay I am a wonk” will not really help.
I think the reference class on what was going on is thin in that not very much similar things are going on. But I think that comparing to esblished institutions is not reallt proper. Stanford prison experiment was ran but now we are of the stance that similar setups should not be done. There can be a reason of “we didn’t know it was dangerous” like how Marie Curie dies from the research topic. But once we start to know then liability starts to attach. I would also not discredit of the humanitarian harms that german WWII scientists because they were part of an ambitious order. Milgram experiment also shows that people don’t need any or much modifification to be making dangerous decisions in far off settings. Road to hell is paved with good intentions and if high aims starts to waive damages it de facto gives a licence to destroy. Sure thinki big and shoot a rocket out your lawn but if the neighbour complains about their cruched dog you really ought to have bought or arranged the safezones. Skimping out on that because you want to succeed quicker/ with less resources is not thiking big but thinking greedy.
I can understand a military operation or skydiving to have a casualty rate but if your math research or psyholoogy program has a causalty rate it raises questions how that can come to be as it doesn’t strike like that kind of activity. Further more even if I have opted into a risky business keeping the risk-deal current can be relevant. If I had a laboratory working on “what is this radioacitvy thing?” and then don’t tell people when casualties arise right away but say wait for 6 months keeping the risk information assymmetry seems exploitative.