oh man I have such mixed feelings about this. at first strong downvoted, but then thought for 30 seconds, switched to strong upvote. I hope it goes well, and I worry it will not, but that doesn’t mean I really want to downvote it. I just.. worry that it will not go well. Hope it does. Unfortunately can’t make it myself.
In what sense do you think it will (might) not go well? My guess is that it will not go at all—some people will show up in the various locations, maybe some local news outlets will pick it up, and within a week it will be forgotten
whether its impact is net good for the world. my impression that protests don’t work may have come from anti-protest propaganda, I certainly don’t have a clear sense of how I got this sense; but at the same time, I do have this sense.
It’s one of those things where a lot of people—the majority according to some polls—already agree with it, so it’s building mutual knowledge and unlocking some tailwinds
It’s interesting and polarizing. People who think the movement is crazy are having fun with it on social media, which also keeps it top of mind.
I feel hesitant sharing this call to action in circles that would go to protests because they feel “stronger than gpt4” is a ridiculously lightweight ask and I’ll get heavily criticized for endorsing it with a share. not to mention that the non-lesswrong link doesn’t explain why, and lesswrong links are generally frowned upon hard in most such contexts, as the site is considered to be classical liberal and unwilling to reject status quo. why not also ask for gpt4 to be deleted, I would expect them to say. it’s like, why bother going to a protest that is only asking for a pause? isn’t the whole point that we don’t want capital’s ais at all? why are we protesting for a pause rather than a stop? or so. and yet, I also expect any possible demand to not be honored. I do agree with all of those points, though I worry the backfire from #2 will be far stronger than the first-order impact. I’ll share it anyhow, but I feel like these protests are ignoring feedback like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaU6tI2pb3M that would need to be considered and incorporated in at least an acknowledging way in order to get movement in the existing political circles that would push for action.
edit: oh, those are facebook links I managed to not mentally parse as links. I’ll copy and paste the body, then.
edit #2: I copy and pasted it into a “give me the raw markdown from a paste” site, so that I can paste it formatting-included into discord. maybe this will help others https://www.pastetomarkdown.com/
oh man I have such mixed feelings about this. at first strong downvoted, but then thought for 30 seconds, switched to strong upvote. I hope it goes well, and I worry it will not, but that doesn’t mean I really want to downvote it. I just.. worry that it will not go well. Hope it does. Unfortunately can’t make it myself.
In what sense do you think it will (might) not go well? My guess is that it will not go at all—some people will show up in the various locations, maybe some local news outlets will pick it up, and within a week it will be forgotten
whether its impact is net good for the world. my impression that protests don’t work may have come from anti-protest propaganda, I certainly don’t have a clear sense of how I got this sense; but at the same time, I do have this sense.
I think the impact will be pretty significant:
It’s one of those things where a lot of people—the majority according to some polls—already agree with it, so it’s building mutual knowledge and unlocking some tailwinds
It’s interesting and polarizing. People who think the movement is crazy are having fun with it on social media, which also keeps it top of mind.
I feel hesitant sharing this call to action in circles that would go to protests because they feel “stronger than gpt4” is a ridiculously lightweight ask and I’ll get heavily criticized for endorsing it with a share.
not to mention that the non-lesswrong link doesn’t explain why, and lesswrong links are generally frowned upon hard in most such contexts, as the site is considered to be classical liberal and unwilling to reject status quo. why not also ask for gpt4 to be deleted, I would expect them to say. it’s like, why bother going to a protest that is only asking for a pause? isn’t the whole point that we don’t want capital’s ais at all? why are we protesting for a pause rather than a stop? or so. and yet, I also expect any possible demand to not be honored. I do agree with all of those points, though I worry the backfire from #2 will be far stronger than the first-order impact. I’ll share it anyhow, but I feel like these protests are ignoring feedback like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaU6tI2pb3M that would need to be considered and incorporated in at least an acknowledging way in order to get movement in the existing political circles that would push for action.edit: oh, those are facebook links I managed to not mentally parse as links. I’ll copy and paste the body, then. edit #2: I copy and pasted it into a “give me the raw markdown from a paste” site, so that I can paste it formatting-included into discord. maybe this will help others https://www.pastetomarkdown.com/