The line about “carnists” strikes me as outgroup homogeneity, conceptual gerrymandering, The Worst Argument In The World—call it what you want, but it should be something rationalists should have antibodies against.
Specifically, equivocating between “carnists [meat industry lobbyists]” and “carnists [EA non-vegans]” seems to me like known anti-truthseeking behavior.
So the question, as I see you posing, is whether NinetyThree prefers being in an epistemic environment with people who care about epistemic truthseeking (EA non-vegans) or with people for whom your best defense is that they’re no worse than meat industry lobbyists.
I think my point would be empirically supported; we can try set up a survey and run a factor analysis if you doubt it.
Edit: just to clarify I’m not gonna run the factor analysis unless someone who doubts the validity of the category comes by to cooperate, because I’m busy and expect there’d be a lot of goalpost moving that I don’t have time to deal with if I did it without pre-approval from someone who doesn’t buy it.
The line about “carnists” strikes me as outgroup homogeneity, conceptual gerrymandering, The Worst Argument In The World—call it what you want, but it should be something rationalists should have antibodies against.
Specifically, equivocating between “carnists [meat industry lobbyists]” and “carnists [EA non-vegans]” seems to me like known anti-truthseeking behavior.
So the question, as I see you posing, is whether NinetyThree prefers being in an epistemic environment with people who care about epistemic truthseeking (EA non-vegans) or with people for whom your best defense is that they’re no worse than meat industry lobbyists.
I think my point would be empirically supported; we can try set up a survey and run a factor analysis if you doubt it.
Edit: just to clarify I’m not gonna run the factor analysis unless someone who doubts the validity of the category comes by to cooperate, because I’m busy and expect there’d be a lot of goalpost moving that I don’t have time to deal with if I did it without pre-approval from someone who doesn’t buy it.