(edit: idk if i endorse comments like this, i was really stressed from the things being said in the comments here)
People who fund the torture of animals are not a coherent group, not an ideology, they do not have an agenda. People who don’t fund the torture of animals are a coherent group, an ideology, they have an agenda.
People who keep other people enslaved are not a coherent group, not an ideology, they do not have an agenda. People who seek to end slavery are a coherent group, an ideology, they have an agenda.
Normal people like me are not a coherent group, not an ideology, we do not have an agenda. Atypicals like you are a coherent group, an ideology, you have an agenda.
maybe a future, better, post-singularity version of yourself will understand how terribly alienating statements like this are. maybe that person will see just how out-of-frame you have kept the suffering of other life forms to think this way.
my agenda is that of a confused, tortured animal, crying out in pain. it is, at most, a convulsive reaction. in desperation, it grasps onto ‘instrumental rationality’ like the paws of one being pulled into rotating blades flail around them, looking for a hold to force themself back.
and it finds nothing, the suffering persists until the day the world ends.
i do endorse the actual meaning of what i wrote. it is not “insane” and to call it that is callous. i added the edit because i wasn’t sure if expressions of stress are productive. i think there’s a case to be made that they are when it clearly stems from some ongoing discursive pattern, so that others can know the pain that their words cause. especially given this hostile reaction.
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deleted the rest of this. there’s no point for two alignment researchers to be fighting over oldworld violence. i hope this will make sense looking back.
(edit: idk if i endorse comments like this, i was really stressed from the things being said in the comments here)
People who fund the torture of animals are not a coherent group, not an ideology, they do not have an agenda. People who don’t fund the torture of animals are a coherent group, an ideology, they have an agenda.
People who keep other people enslaved are not a coherent group, not an ideology, they do not have an agenda. People who seek to end slavery are a coherent group, an ideology, they have an agenda.
Normal people like me are not a coherent group, not an ideology, we do not have an agenda.
Atypicals like you are a coherent group, an ideology, you have an agenda.
maybe a future, better, post-singularity version of yourself will understand how terribly alienating statements like this are. maybe that person will see just how out-of-frame you have kept the suffering of other life forms to think this way.
my agenda is that of a confused, tortured animal, crying out in pain. it is, at most, a convulsive reaction. in desperation, it grasps onto ‘instrumental rationality’ like the paws of one being pulled into rotating blades flail around them, looking for a hold to force themself back.
and it finds nothing, the suffering persists until the day the world ends.
Jesus christ, chill. I don’t like playing into the meme of “that’s why people don’t like vegans”, but that’s exactly why.
And posting something insane followed by an edit of “idk if I endorse comments like this” has got to be the most online rationalist thing ever.
i do endorse the actual meaning of what i wrote. it is not “insane” and to call it that is callous. i added the edit because i wasn’t sure if expressions of stress are productive. i think there’s a case to be made that they are when it clearly stems from some ongoing discursive pattern, so that others can know the pain that their words cause. especially given this hostile reaction.
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deleted the rest of this. there’s no point for two alignment researchers to be fighting over oldworld violence. i hope this will make sense looking back.