It can’t be learned by following ten simple rules but that doesn’t mean that the philosophy can’t be learned.
I don’t think the philosophy -can- be learned, not by normal people. Not caring what other people think of you runs pretty deep.
Confusing isn’t the right word but I have spoken to a politician who actually cares about reputation fights and they did consider raising complexity of the story to be part of the goal of adding a lot of details (being specific).
That is… situationally, good advice. There’s considerable complexity to when it would be good advice, however, and misapplied or poorly implemented, you’re going to be read as trying to cover over a lie, as that is a well-recognized tactic used by liars. I wouldn’t give that advice to somebody who needed it.
To me what you write sounds like it’s ivory tower thinking based on reading classics like Sun Tzu. I have read Sun Tzu but I also dealt seriously with the topic outside the ivory tower.
It is, to some extent, ivory tower thinking, in something the same way instructions on how to replace a doorframe are ivory tower thinking. Once you get into the real thing, and discover that you have a custom-built frame, or that for some bizarre reason there’s plumbing running through the door jam, the instructions become more like general guidelines you refer to and keep in mind as you navigate the complexities of the specific situation at hand.
I don’t think the philosophy -can- be learned, not by normal people.
There aren’t many normal people on LW. Many people here care about truth enough to leave Christianity at the cost of their family thinking badly about them.
That doesn’t mean that reputation doesn’t matter, but it’s worthwhile to understand where you make which trades. It’s worth to be clear about who you want to impress and who you don’t care to impress.
That the road you go to becoming antifragile.
As far as changing things that run deep, I have spent enough time with NLP trained people to know that those can be changed. Most people in the local NLP community in Berlin manage the relevant personality change. NLP doesn’t to everything but as far as I observe it can change this parameter pretty reliably
That is… situationally, good advice. There’s considerable complexity to when it would be good advice, however, and misapplied or poorly implemented
Yes, that’s why it’s useless to simple tell people to “be specific” the way you do above.
I wouldn’t give that advice to somebody who needed it.
Actually you did give the advice to “be specific” which is what the complaint is about.
It is, to some extent, ivory tower thinking, in something the same way instructions on how to replace a doorframe are ivory tower thinking.
When taking advice on how to replace a doorframe I would seek it from people who actually have had experience with replacing doorframes and not from people who haven’t. Guildelines on doorframe replacement by ivory tower folks are suboptimal.
I don’t think the philosophy -can- be learned, not by normal people. Not caring what other people think of you runs pretty deep.
That is… situationally, good advice. There’s considerable complexity to when it would be good advice, however, and misapplied or poorly implemented, you’re going to be read as trying to cover over a lie, as that is a well-recognized tactic used by liars. I wouldn’t give that advice to somebody who needed it.
It is, to some extent, ivory tower thinking, in something the same way instructions on how to replace a doorframe are ivory tower thinking. Once you get into the real thing, and discover that you have a custom-built frame, or that for some bizarre reason there’s plumbing running through the door jam, the instructions become more like general guidelines you refer to and keep in mind as you navigate the complexities of the specific situation at hand.
There aren’t many normal people on LW. Many people here care about truth enough to leave Christianity at the cost of their family thinking badly about them. That doesn’t mean that reputation doesn’t matter, but it’s worthwhile to understand where you make which trades. It’s worth to be clear about who you want to impress and who you don’t care to impress.
That the road you go to becoming antifragile.
As far as changing things that run deep, I have spent enough time with NLP trained people to know that those can be changed. Most people in the local NLP community in Berlin manage the relevant personality change. NLP doesn’t to everything but as far as I observe it can change this parameter pretty reliably
Yes, that’s why it’s useless to simple tell people to “be specific” the way you do above.
Actually you did give the advice to “be specific” which is what the complaint is about.
When taking advice on how to replace a doorframe I would seek it from people who actually have had experience with replacing doorframes and not from people who haven’t. Guildelines on doorframe replacement by ivory tower folks are suboptimal.