If I imagine a similar post in which all references to “women” have been replaced by references to some other group with which I identify more strongly, like “Jews” or “queer men” or “white people,” my desire to interact with the hypothetical author of that hypothetical post similarly plunges, to varying degrees.
If the reason for that plunge were the author’s admission to low status, it would seem to follow that I could infer the status of various groups in my society from the degree of plunge. I haven’t thought too hard about this, but I doubt that would actually work terribly well.
Imagine the “creepiness” question were also coordinated on race; black people come off as creepy, and a black person complains that all the complaints white people make about creepy black people makes them disinclined to try to interact with white people.
Does this change how you regard the hypothetical author?
Do you mean a post that also says the same things about white people that n_s’s post says about women (e.g., that the author becomes subhuman around white people, that interacting with white people is distressing, that white people are less interesting than black people and that the author’s occasional belief otherwise is simply an illusion they ought to adjust for)?
Yeah, I expect that would change how I regard the author. I mean, if nothing else, I’m a white person, and it’s difficult to listen to that sort of thing without having an emotional reaction to it.
Or do you just mean a post that says that the complaints of white people about black creepiness make the author disinclined to try to interact with us? I expect that would change how I regard the author less.
The latter is how I interpret nyansandwich’s post; it’s what it starts with, it’s how it justifies the former points, and what it isn’t used to justify comes off as something like sour grapes. (How does nyan_sandwich know how interesting women are if he’s too nervous to interact with them on a human level?)
Can’t really criticize you for taking the more negative interpretation, however, since I do the same thing pretty frequently.
Especially given that the “more negative interpretation” in this case involves treating the author’s statements about their experience as accurately describing their experience.
But, sure, if I restrict my attention to only those claims which are somehow justified by the assertion that the complaints of women about male creepiness make the author disinclined to try to interact with women, my reaction to the post is very different.
That said, I’m not sure why I ought to restrict my attention in that way.
I’m quite sure the creepiness question is coordinated on race. Black men often have a really difficult time hitting on white women without coming off as creepy.
If I imagine a similar post in which all references to “women” have been replaced by references to some other group with which I identify more strongly, like “Jews” or “queer men” or “white people,” my desire to interact with the hypothetical author of that hypothetical post similarly plunges, to varying degrees.
If the reason for that plunge were the author’s admission to low status, it would seem to follow that I could infer the status of various groups in my society from the degree of plunge. I haven’t thought too hard about this, but I doubt that would actually work terribly well.
Imagine the “creepiness” question were also coordinated on race; black people come off as creepy, and a black person complains that all the complaints white people make about creepy black people makes them disinclined to try to interact with white people.
Does this change how you regard the hypothetical author?
Do you mean a post that also says the same things about white people that n_s’s post says about women (e.g., that the author becomes subhuman around white people, that interacting with white people is distressing, that white people are less interesting than black people and that the author’s occasional belief otherwise is simply an illusion they ought to adjust for)?
Yeah, I expect that would change how I regard the author. I mean, if nothing else, I’m a white person, and it’s difficult to listen to that sort of thing without having an emotional reaction to it.
Or do you just mean a post that says that the complaints of white people about black creepiness make the author disinclined to try to interact with us? I expect that would change how I regard the author less.
The latter is how I interpret nyansandwich’s post; it’s what it starts with, it’s how it justifies the former points, and what it isn’t used to justify comes off as something like sour grapes. (How does nyan_sandwich know how interesting women are if he’s too nervous to interact with them on a human level?)
Can’t really criticize you for taking the more negative interpretation, however, since I do the same thing pretty frequently.
Especially given that the “more negative interpretation” in this case involves treating the author’s statements about their experience as accurately describing their experience.
But, sure, if I restrict my attention to only those claims which are somehow justified by the assertion that the complaints of women about male creepiness make the author disinclined to try to interact with women, my reaction to the post is very different.
That said, I’m not sure why I ought to restrict my attention in that way.
FYI, the former “uncharitable” interpretation is correct.
I’m quite sure the creepiness question is coordinated on race. Black men often have a really difficult time hitting on white women without coming off as creepy.