I think this will be my last response. I can see VAERS and hypothetically I could download it and do some datascience on it, perhaps?
However, until just now I didn’t know that that system existed… and then I had to search for it (not follow a helpful link from you) and probably someone else has done datascience on that already...
So since you know about such things, why aren’t you teaching me? Why aren’t you linking to helpful stuff to tell me exactly how and why vaccines are safe making a positive case from these data sources you know about and trust? Or tracking down such research conducted by someone with government funding, but also where you actually respect the researchers personally and personally vouch for their work?
This is 17th century science.
Hey, they invented calculus, the slide rule, and the first human powered submarine, and they discovered carbon, phosphorus, and bacteria.… on essentially zero budget. Don’t knock it till you try it, maybe?
Part of my overarching thesis is that the entire “system system” is trash until proven to be non-trash. Covid has shown me, over and over and over and over again that every time I make an assumption about the diligent benevolent systematic competence of the US government I am surprised in a negative way shortly thereafter.
I don’t think this applies to all of society, just the parts that have protectionist guarantees from the government, including the protectionist guarantees offered by parts of the government to other parts of the government.
As articulated by Richard Smith (for many years the chair of the Cochrane Library Oversight Committee, member of the board of the UK Research Integrity Office, and cofounder of the Committee on Medical Ethics (COPE)):
Stephen Lock, my predecessor as editor of The BMJ, became worried about research fraud in the 1980s, but people thought his concerns eccentric. Research authorities insisted that fraud was rare, didn’t matter because science was self-correcting, and that no patients had suffered because of scientific fraud. All those reasons for not taking research fraud seriously have proved to be false, and, 40 years on from Lock’s concerns, we are realising that the problem is huge, the system encourages fraud, and we have no adequate way to respond. It may be time to move from assuming that research has been honestly conducted and reported to assuming it to be untrustworthy until there is some evidence to the contrary.
I don’t think this actually means we’ve lost 4 centuries of scientific capacity, myself… you’re the one who said that if data censorship was common then it would be that bad. I
I think we’ve only fallen back to maybe the 1870s or or perhaps to just before WW1 or so… the problems we’re having are translating things that wikipedia already knows, and can explain in small words into the actual practices of powerful people, like hospital administrators, pension planners, presidents, bond raters, tenured sociologists, and so on.
All I’m claiming is that there might be a LOT of people who should be fired (but who won’t be fired (and that’s most of why they’re doing a shitty job))… who are currently getting paid by the US tax payers in exchange for essentially injecting noise into processes that care for the US tax payers, and thus harming the US tax payers.
I am certain of nothing, and I want to test everything in proportion to my doubt and the thing’s importance. That is all.
When people start doing their own data science on VAERS database, the result sometimes looks like this document. Do you want to explain why covid vaccines appear to be 100 times less safe than flu vaccines?
It seems like you’re talking as if your goal is to score point in a debate with an opponent; your comments are only minimally useful from the standpoint of helping an honest interlocutor gain understanding. Yet it seems to me that JenniferRM shows all possible signs of being such an honest interlocutor (and indeed you are far more likely to find the latter on Less Wrong than the former).
I think this will be my last response. I can see VAERS and hypothetically I could download it and do some datascience on it, perhaps?
However, until just now I didn’t know that that system existed… and then I had to search for it (not follow a helpful link from you) and probably someone else has done datascience on that already...
So since you know about such things, why aren’t you teaching me? Why aren’t you linking to helpful stuff to tell me exactly how and why vaccines are safe making a positive case from these data sources you know about and trust? Or tracking down such research conducted by someone with government funding, but also where you actually respect the researchers personally and personally vouch for their work?
Hey, they invented calculus, the slide rule, and the first human powered submarine, and they discovered carbon, phosphorus, and bacteria.… on essentially zero budget. Don’t knock it till you try it, maybe?
Part of my overarching thesis is that the entire “system system” is trash until proven to be non-trash. Covid has shown me, over and over and over and over again that every time I make an assumption about the diligent benevolent systematic competence of the US government I am surprised in a negative way shortly thereafter.
I don’t think this applies to all of society, just the parts that have protectionist guarantees from the government, including the protectionist guarantees offered by parts of the government to other parts of the government.
As articulated by Richard Smith (for many years the chair of the Cochrane Library Oversight Committee, member of the board of the UK Research Integrity Office, and cofounder of the Committee on Medical Ethics (COPE)):
I don’t think this actually means we’ve lost 4 centuries of scientific capacity, myself… you’re the one who said that if data censorship was common then it would be that bad. I
I think we’ve only fallen back to maybe the 1870s or or perhaps to just before WW1 or so… the problems we’re having are translating things that wikipedia already knows, and can explain in small words into the actual practices of powerful people, like hospital administrators, pension planners, presidents, bond raters, tenured sociologists, and so on.
All I’m claiming is that there might be a LOT of people who should be fired (but who won’t be fired (and that’s most of why they’re doing a shitty job))… who are currently getting paid by the US tax payers in exchange for essentially injecting noise into processes that care for the US tax payers, and thus harming the US tax payers.
I am certain of nothing, and I want to test everything in proportion to my doubt and the thing’s importance. That is all.
When people start doing their own data science on VAERS database, the result sometimes looks like this document. Do you want to explain why covid vaccines appear to be 100 times less safe than flu vaccines?
It seems like you’re talking as if your goal is to score point in a debate with an opponent; your comments are only minimally useful from the standpoint of helping an honest interlocutor gain understanding. Yet it seems to me that JenniferRM shows all possible signs of being such an honest interlocutor (and indeed you are far more likely to find the latter on Less Wrong than the former).