Are you enjoying wasting your time on this website?
You have 15 comments and a grand total of −120 karma. That is a strong indication that you are doing something wrong. To save you some time: the standard response is “I’m being censored! You’re an Eliezer-cult! All these downvotes are just because you’re scared of the Truth!”.
What you are doing is not fitting into the community norms of discussion, like research and linking/referring to specific sources (anyone can say “I’ve done research!”, but that doesn’t mean that you have). (I’ll pre-empt another common whinge: yes, in most cases, Wikipedia is an acceptible reference to use on LW).
The parent comment might not be particularly bad; but your history (and your username) puts you very close to “troll”, and that makes the parent comment look like a pattern-matched response (rather than a genuine question) which is the reason I downvoted.
To save you some time: the standard response is “I’m being censored! You’re an Eliezer-cult! All these downvotes are just because you’re scared of the Truth!”.
I never said anything like this and I never invoked Eleizer. I don’t understand why you’re telling me off for something I didn’t do. Look at my post history if you don’t trust me.
What you are doing is not fitting into the community norms of discussion, like research and linking/referring to specific sources
It only makes sense to do so when making a claim. Yet people on this site have refused to back up their own claims with citations because apparently “I’m not worth bothering with”.
but there are almost never flame wars
I never flamed anyone. The only guy who is calling people names “like troll for example” is you (well now that you’ve done it others are following your lead too, well done..).
Are you enjoying wasting your time on this website?
Not really, I didn’t expect to get rejected so harsly. I’ve read all the sequences twice and been rational for years so I don’t know what the problem is. What’s the point of all this meta discussion, why is everyone trying to drag me into these metadiscussions and brand me as a troll after I passed 100 downvotes. We should get back onto the actual topic.
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One of the problems is that you say things like “I’ve been rational for years”. Sorry. No, you haven’t. EY hasn’t been rational for years. You may have been an aspiring rationalist, but that’s a far cry from actually being rational. When you say things like that it is extremely off-putting because it sounds self-congratulatory. That’s something that this community struggles with a lot, and we typically heavily downvote things that are that way because they send very bad signals about what this website is. Beyond that, when it’s said by someone with the username “911truther”, it implies an element of “You’re not rational unless you’re a truther too”, which mean it or not, is how it comes across.
Secondly, and this relates, your username. It’s inherently political, which brings up all of our opposition to politics every time you make a post. That’s not a good thing, and it will be very difficult for anyone on this site to take you seriously. If two different people wrote two articles that were of exactly equal caliber, and one was named BobSmith, and the other was named Obama2012, I would anticipate at least 2-3 times the upvoting on the former and 2-3 times the downvoting on the latter. And 9/11 is so much more of a polarizing issue. The vast, vast majority of people here disagree with you. But roland, despite being wildly downvoted every time he brings up 9/11, actually manages positive karma, because it’s not inherently brought up every time he posts. I can not recommend strongly enough that you delete your account and create a new username if you wish to continue on this site. If you’re a 911 truther, I would not suggest lying about that, but choosing that as the phrase by which you identify yourself is not a very effective strategy for being taken seriously on this site.
Thirdly, the great grandparent to this isn’t a terrible comment. I agree with you there. I likely would have upvoted it had it been made by a different username, since I didn’t think it deserved that level of downvoting (but not because I thought it was particularly wonderful in and of itself).
Yet people on this site have refused to back up their own claims with citations because apparently “I’m not worth bothering with”.
I found this claim difficult to believe, so I looked it up. For the record:
911truther: Freezing things makes water expand and burst the fragile parts of your brain.
gwern: Freezing canard: proof you have not read the cryonics literature. Instant downvote.
911truther: If “the cryonics literature” (presumably explaining why freezing does not destroy the brain) actually exists why don’t you link to it?
gwern: Because spending the time to look up references solid enough that they cannot be glibly rejected indicates that I think someone is worth educating, that I can educate them, or it’s a sign of respect.
None of those three are true. So if you think you are right, you are free to bring your own references to the table.
I do wish we could discourage the attitude displayed here by gwern. It’s pure ego to respond in this way to someone you deem a “troll”. It certainly won’t change their mind, and it will only spur them to comment more. Either ignore them completely after downvoting, or be polite in your reply. One might justify these posts as important to make sure that 911truther knows why he’s being downvoted, but the aggression in them is entirely counter-productive and, frankly, is quite rude.
For the record, I do think people are a little over-eager to accuse someone of being a “troll” (I think it is much more probable that 911truther is simply ignorant) although I think moderation is warranted in this case.
I never said anything like this and I never invoked Eleizer. I don’t understand why you’re telling me off for something I didn’t do. Look at my post history if you don’t trust me.
I know you didn’t invoke Eliezer, but that is a common statement by people who find themselves downvoted a lot, so I was pre-empting it (if you were not going to do that, I apologise and that sentence should be considered removed from my quote, however the rest still stands). The only reason I said that, was because I looked at your post history and saw this one:
[...] If you look at my user page (http://lesswrong.com/user/911truther) it’s blatantly obvious that someone is systematically downvoting everything I post multiple times. I don’t claim to be persecuted but clearly there is an attempt to censor me. Frankly it just proves that I’m right, if I was wrong people could easily disprove me.
For the rest:
People have been providing links and citations to back up their claims. (Several of the replies in this thread)
I wasn’t implying that you flamed anyone, just that dissent is part of this website, and it is treated with respect.
Dismissing accusation of “troll” with uncheckable and irrelevant claims of rationality is not the right way to do it.
Are you enjoying wasting your time on this website?
You have 15 comments and a grand total of −120 karma. That is a strong indication that you are doing something wrong. To save you some time: the standard response is “I’m being censored! You’re an Eliezer-cult! All these downvotes are just because you’re scared of the Truth!”.
Please don’t use it, because it is not true: e.g. two links you’ve already seen, people call Eliezer out on mistakes, naunced responses to “Yay for Eliezer/rationality/SI!”-type posts. Part of the reason I like LW is precisely because people do disagree, but there are almost never flame wars: the disagreement means that people actually think about what they believe and even change their minds!
What you are doing is not fitting into the community norms of discussion, like research and linking/referring to specific sources (anyone can say “I’ve done research!”, but that doesn’t mean that you have). (I’ll pre-empt another common whinge: yes, in most cases, Wikipedia is an acceptible reference to use on LW).
The parent comment might not be particularly bad; but your history (and your username) puts you very close to “troll”, and that makes the parent comment look like a pattern-matched response (rather than a genuine question) which is the reason I downvoted.
I never said anything like this and I never invoked Eleizer. I don’t understand why you’re telling me off for something I didn’t do. Look at my post history if you don’t trust me.
It only makes sense to do so when making a claim. Yet people on this site have refused to back up their own claims with citations because apparently “I’m not worth bothering with”.
I never flamed anyone. The only guy who is calling people names “like troll for example” is you (well now that you’ve done it others are following your lead too, well done..).
Not really, I didn’t expect to get rejected so harsly. I’ve read all the sequences twice and been rational for years so I don’t know what the problem is. What’s the point of all this meta discussion, why is everyone trying to drag me into these metadiscussions and brand me as a troll after I passed 100 downvotes. We should get back onto the actual topic.
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One of the problems is that you say things like “I’ve been rational for years”. Sorry. No, you haven’t. EY hasn’t been rational for years. You may have been an aspiring rationalist, but that’s a far cry from actually being rational. When you say things like that it is extremely off-putting because it sounds self-congratulatory. That’s something that this community struggles with a lot, and we typically heavily downvote things that are that way because they send very bad signals about what this website is. Beyond that, when it’s said by someone with the username “911truther”, it implies an element of “You’re not rational unless you’re a truther too”, which mean it or not, is how it comes across.
Secondly, and this relates, your username. It’s inherently political, which brings up all of our opposition to politics every time you make a post. That’s not a good thing, and it will be very difficult for anyone on this site to take you seriously. If two different people wrote two articles that were of exactly equal caliber, and one was named BobSmith, and the other was named Obama2012, I would anticipate at least 2-3 times the upvoting on the former and 2-3 times the downvoting on the latter. And 9/11 is so much more of a polarizing issue. The vast, vast majority of people here disagree with you. But roland, despite being wildly downvoted every time he brings up 9/11, actually manages positive karma, because it’s not inherently brought up every time he posts. I can not recommend strongly enough that you delete your account and create a new username if you wish to continue on this site. If you’re a 911 truther, I would not suggest lying about that, but choosing that as the phrase by which you identify yourself is not a very effective strategy for being taken seriously on this site.
Thirdly, the great grandparent to this isn’t a terrible comment. I agree with you there. I likely would have upvoted it had it been made by a different username, since I didn’t think it deserved that level of downvoting (but not because I thought it was particularly wonderful in and of itself).
I found this claim difficult to believe, so I looked it up. For the record:
I do wish we could discourage the attitude displayed here by gwern. It’s pure ego to respond in this way to someone you deem a “troll”. It certainly won’t change their mind, and it will only spur them to comment more. Either ignore them completely after downvoting, or be polite in your reply. One might justify these posts as important to make sure that 911truther knows why he’s being downvoted, but the aggression in them is entirely counter-productive and, frankly, is quite rude.
For the record, I do think people are a little over-eager to accuse someone of being a “troll” (I think it is much more probable that 911truther is simply ignorant) although I think moderation is warranted in this case.
Was this before or after the other links in other conversations?
I know you didn’t invoke Eliezer, but that is a common statement by people who find themselves downvoted a lot, so I was pre-empting it (if you were not going to do that, I apologise and that sentence should be considered removed from my quote, however the rest still stands). The only reason I said that, was because I looked at your post history and saw this one:
For the rest:
People have been providing links and citations to back up their claims. (Several of the replies in this thread)
I wasn’t implying that you flamed anyone, just that dissent is part of this website, and it is treated with respect.
Dismissing accusation of “troll” with uncheckable and irrelevant claims of rationality is not the right way to do it.