Many if not most people are Goodharting in most aspects of their lives. Why not this one?
I acknowledge your claim that you value feeling good over and above the things that cause you to feel good. I agree that many people implicitly endorse this claim about themselves. I think you and they are very likely mistaken about this preference, and that ceasing to optimize for it would improve your life significantly according to your other preferences.
was hoping you’d validate whether my “I thought PDV was saying” one way or another, above …
also, it seems like an important milestone if you guys actually sussed out where the actual disagreement is. and it seems like it isn’t what either of you previously thought it was. so i want that to be made clear.
Kaj wasn’t saying ‘a thing that couldn’t be right’. Kaj was describing a totally realistic thing to do. which is to value feeling good itself.
i think conversational milestones in arguments are important places to stop and orient, and i was worried this milestone would be quickly passed over.
and NOW the disagreement is about a preference / why aren’t you worried about Goodharting, whereas before it wasn’t clear. is this actually agreed now by both parties?
Many if not most people are Goodharting in most aspects of their lives. Why not this one?
I acknowledge your claim that you value feeling good over and above the things that cause you to feel good. I agree that many people implicitly endorse this claim about themselves. I think you and they are very likely mistaken about this preference, and that ceasing to optimize for it would improve your life significantly according to your other preferences.
was hoping you’d validate whether my “I thought PDV was saying” one way or another, above …
also, it seems like an important milestone if you guys actually sussed out where the actual disagreement is. and it seems like it isn’t what either of you previously thought it was. so i want that to be made clear.
Kaj wasn’t saying ‘a thing that couldn’t be right’. Kaj was describing a totally realistic thing to do. which is to value feeling good itself.
i think conversational milestones in arguments are important places to stop and orient, and i was worried this milestone would be quickly passed over.
and NOW the disagreement is about a preference / why aren’t you worried about Goodharting, whereas before it wasn’t clear. is this actually agreed now by both parties?
(I greatly appreciate your attempt to clarify/improve the quality of the conversation.)