Of course astrological claims pay rent. The problem with astrology is not that it’s meaningless but that it’s false, and the problem with astrologers is that they don’t pay the epistemological rent.
Also, a proof is a different thing from a mathematician saying so. The rent that is being paid there is not merely that the theorem will be asserted but that there will be a proof.
The original post does not mention astrology. If you want to spy out some place where Eliezer has said that astrological claims are meaningless, go right ahead. I am not particularly concerned with whether he has or not.
Here and now, you are talking to me, and as I pointed out, the belief can pay rent, but astrologers are not making it do so. Those who have seriously looked for evidence, have, so I understand, generally found the beliefs false.
I think this is both right and not in contradiction with the post.
The belief that pays the rent here is that there is going to be a high correlation between Mars being in conjunction with Jupiter and astrology believers born around August experiencing heightened feelings of being in danger.
That does not say anything on the “truth” of astrology itself.
Same applies to the article’s example on Wulky Wilkinsen. The belief that alienated resublimation justifies the fictional author’s retropositionality does not pay rent. The belief that failing to mention retropositionality correlates with higher chances of failing a literature test on Wilkinsen does probably pay rent.
That was the point. Its a cheat to expect astrology truths to product experiences of reading written materials about astrology, so it’s a cheat expect to pure maths truths …
That was the point. Its a cheat to expect astrology truths to product experiences of reading written materials about astrology, so it’s a cheat expect to pure maths truths …
Let me complete the ellipsis with what I actually said. A mathematical assertion leads me to expect a proof. Not merely experiences of reading written materials repeating the assertion.
Truth of astrology: mars in conjunction with Jupiter is dangerous for Leos
Expected experience: there will be astrology articles saying Leo’s are in danger when mars is in conjunction with Jupiter.
Of course astrological claims pay rent. The problem with astrology is not that it’s meaningless but that it’s false, and the problem with astrologers is that they don’t pay the epistemological rent.
Also, a proof is a different thing from a mathematician saying so. The rent that is being paid there is not merely that the theorem will be asserted but that there will be a proof.
Try telling Eliezer
The original post does not mention astrology. If you want to spy out some place where Eliezer has said that astrological claims are meaningless, go right ahead. I am not particularly concerned with whether he has or not.
Here and now, you are talking to me, and as I pointed out, the belief can pay rent, but astrologers are not making it do so. Those who have seriously looked for evidence, have, so I understand, generally found the beliefs false.
I think this is both right and not in contradiction with the post.
The belief that pays the rent here is that there is going to be a high correlation between Mars being in conjunction with Jupiter and astrology believers born around August experiencing heightened feelings of being in danger.
That does not say anything on the “truth” of astrology itself.
Same applies to the article’s example on Wulky Wilkinsen. The belief that alienated resublimation justifies the fictional author’s retropositionality does not pay rent. The belief that failing to mention retropositionality correlates with higher chances of failing a literature test on Wilkinsen does probably pay rent.
From that belief, the expected experience should be Leo people being less fortunate during those days.
That was the point. Its a cheat to expect astrology truths to product experiences of reading written materials about astrology, so it’s a cheat expect to pure maths truths …
Let me complete the ellipsis with what I actually said. A mathematical assertion leads me to expect a proof. Not merely experiences of reading written materials repeating the assertion.
And a proof still isnt an .experience in the relevant sense. Its not like predicting an eclipse,
What’s the difference between behaviours of non-sentient objects and behaviours of sentient people that makes one an experience and the other not?