You’re falling into the atheist-arguing-with-believers mode.
I’ve only made arguments I think are correct in response to points that you made. If I have offended you, that was certainly not the intent and you can point to where you think I was rude.
But this is a theological argument. If you did not want to start a theological argument, then why did you start a theological argument?
What is your point?
The original issue was whether you have discovered a new failure mode in Pascal’s Wager (besides a few well-known ones). My view on that remains unchanged.
“The original issue”? Were still talking about the same issue. Whether or not there’s evidence to suggest that a god would do these things is an integral part of Pascals wager, aka the thing we’ve been talking about for 5 posts, and it’s the only point you’ve made against my argument.
And in discussion it’s customary to explain why your view hasn’t changed. If my logic isn’t incorrect, it is obviously correct, and it would be nice of you to explain why you think it isn’t, instead of just offhandedly dismissing me without explanation.
I am not offended at all. The meaning of the sentence was that the argument started to follow well-worn railroad tracks.
it would be nice of you to explain why you think it isn’t
I find your arguments unconvincing. I also don’t have the inclination to get into a discussion of the Indifferent God approach which, again, is trampled ground.
I’ve only made arguments I think are correct in response to points that you made. If I have offended you, that was certainly not the intent and you can point to where you think I was rude.
It’s not about offending people, and I doubt that Lumifer is actually offended.
It’s just that there are certain scripted / cached modes of debate that we try to avoid on this site, because they don’t actually aid in the pursuit of rationality.
TLDR: Lumifer is trying to help you become stronger. You stand to learn an important skill if you pay careful attention.
Not once in my life have I had these debates (no, not exaggerating) and I find it a strange assumption that I have. Don’t spend an immense amount of time on these sort of forums ya’ see.
If this sort of debate is truly so scripted could you point me to one? Since I’d gain an equal amount of information, apparently.
I do actually want to know what the apparently so common christian reply to these arguments is, it’s sort of why I asked. I’m here to get information, not to be told that the information has already been given. This fact doesn’t really help me.
I do actually want to know what the apparently so common christian reply to these arguments is
Find a smart Christian and talk to her.
You could also think about what is evidence and what is ideas in your mind about what God (according to your convenient definition of him) must do or cannot do. There’s a big difference. You might consider meme propagation and ruminate on why certain written down “random hypotheses” become religions and take over the world, while others don’t. Oh, and speculations about the probabilities of things happening in universes with gods and universes without gods are neither facts nor arguments.
I don’t think Pascal’s wager is part of any form of mainstream Christian theology.
You might consider meme propagation and ruminate on why certain written down “random hypotheses” become religions and take over the world, while others don’t.
I’ve only made arguments I think are correct in response to points that you made. If I have offended you, that was certainly not the intent and you can point to where you think I was rude.
But this is a theological argument. If you did not want to start a theological argument, then why did you start a theological argument?
What is your point?
“The original issue”? Were still talking about the same issue. Whether or not there’s evidence to suggest that a god would do these things is an integral part of Pascals wager, aka the thing we’ve been talking about for 5 posts, and it’s the only point you’ve made against my argument.
And in discussion it’s customary to explain why your view hasn’t changed. If my logic isn’t incorrect, it is obviously correct, and it would be nice of you to explain why you think it isn’t, instead of just offhandedly dismissing me without explanation.
I am not offended at all. The meaning of the sentence was that the argument started to follow well-worn railroad tracks.
I find your arguments unconvincing. I also don’t have the inclination to get into a discussion of the Indifferent God approach which, again, is trampled ground.
It’s not about offending people, and I doubt that Lumifer is actually offended.
It’s just that there are certain scripted / cached modes of debate that we try to avoid on this site, because they don’t actually aid in the pursuit of rationality.
TLDR: Lumifer is trying to help you become stronger. You stand to learn an important skill if you pay careful attention.
Not once in my life have I had these debates (no, not exaggerating) and I find it a strange assumption that I have. Don’t spend an immense amount of time on these sort of forums ya’ see.
If this sort of debate is truly so scripted could you point me to one? Since I’d gain an equal amount of information, apparently.
I do actually want to know what the apparently so common christian reply to these arguments is, it’s sort of why I asked. I’m here to get information, not to be told that the information has already been given. This fact doesn’t really help me.
Find a smart Christian and talk to her.
You could also think about what is evidence and what is ideas in your mind about what God (according to your convenient definition of him) must do or cannot do. There’s a big difference. You might consider meme propagation and ruminate on why certain written down “random hypotheses” become religions and take over the world, while others don’t. Oh, and speculations about the probabilities of things happening in universes with gods and universes without gods are neither facts nor arguments.
I don’t think Pascal’s wager is part of any form of mainstream Christian theology.
I suggest this book: Religion Explained
That was an answer to “I do actually want to know what the apparently so common christian reply to these arguments is”.