Tversky and Kahneman believe in such ideas as “evolved mental behaviour” and “bounded rationality”. These beliefs exist right enough. If you read The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch you will see arguments against these sort of things. You’re arguing by assertion again and haven’t carefully looked at the substance.
I’d be very curious to see where anything Tversky wrote contains the phrase “evolved mental behavior”- as I explained to you T&K have classically been pretty agnostic about where these biases and heuristics are coming from. That other people in the field might think that they are evolved is a side issue. I can’t speak as strongly about Kahneman, but I’d be surprised to see any joint paper of the two had where that phrase was used.
But there’s a more serious issue here which I pointed out to you earlier and you are still missing: You cannot let philosophy override evidence. When evidence and your philosophy contradict, philosophy must lose. No matter how good my philosophical arguments are, they cannot withstand empirical data. If my philosophy says the Earth is flat, my philosophy is bad, since the evidence is overwhelming that the Earth is not flat. If my philosophy requires a geocentric universes, then my philosophy is bad. If my philosophy requires irreducible mental entities then my philosophy is bad. And if my philosophy requires humans to be perfect reasoners then my philosophy is bad.
As long as you keep insisting that your philosophical desires about what humans should be override the evidence of what humans are you will not be doing a good job understanding humans or the rest of the universe.
And to be blunt, as long as you keep making this sort of claim, people here are going to not take you seriously. So please go elsewhere. We don’t have much to say to each other.
No, as far as I know, they don’t use the phrase “evolved mental behaviour”, but I didn’t say they did, only that they believe in such things. That they do is evident here:
“From its earliest days, the research that Tversky and I conducted was guided
by the idea that intuitive judgments occupy a position – perhaps corresponding
to evolutionary history – between the automatic operations of perception
and the deliberate operations of reasoning.”
Read the wording closely. To me it indicates they don’t have a good explanation for these heuristics, or, if they do have an explanation, it is vague so that it is consistent with both evolved and not-evolved. But they don’t have a problem with evolved. I also gave you other arguments in my comments to you in our other discussion.
Why are you continuing this when you’ve already sarcastically told me to go away?
Edit: This wikipedia page says “Cognitive biases are instances of evolved mental behavior”: Do you think that is an accurate description of what cognitive biases are supposed to be? Is there any controversy about whether they are evolved or not?
I’d be very curious to see where anything Tversky wrote contains the phrase “evolved mental behavior”- as I explained to you T&K have classically been pretty agnostic about where these biases and heuristics are coming from. That other people in the field might think that they are evolved is a side issue. I can’t speak as strongly about Kahneman, but I’d be surprised to see any joint paper of the two had where that phrase was used.
But there’s a more serious issue here which I pointed out to you earlier and you are still missing: You cannot let philosophy override evidence. When evidence and your philosophy contradict, philosophy must lose. No matter how good my philosophical arguments are, they cannot withstand empirical data. If my philosophy says the Earth is flat, my philosophy is bad, since the evidence is overwhelming that the Earth is not flat. If my philosophy requires a geocentric universes, then my philosophy is bad. If my philosophy requires irreducible mental entities then my philosophy is bad. And if my philosophy requires humans to be perfect reasoners then my philosophy is bad.
As long as you keep insisting that your philosophical desires about what humans should be override the evidence of what humans are you will not be doing a good job understanding humans or the rest of the universe.
And to be blunt, as long as you keep making this sort of claim, people here are going to not take you seriously. So please go elsewhere. We don’t have much to say to each other.
No, as far as I know, they don’t use the phrase “evolved mental behaviour”, but I didn’t say they did, only that they believe in such things. That they do is evident here:
“From its earliest days, the research that Tversky and I conducted was guided by the idea that intuitive judgments occupy a position – perhaps corresponding to evolutionary history – between the automatic operations of perception and the deliberate operations of reasoning.”
Read the wording closely. To me it indicates they don’t have a good explanation for these heuristics, or, if they do have an explanation, it is vague so that it is consistent with both evolved and not-evolved. But they don’t have a problem with evolved. I also gave you other arguments in my comments to you in our other discussion.
Why are you continuing this when you’ve already sarcastically told me to go away?
Edit: This wikipedia page says “Cognitive biases are instances of evolved mental behavior”: Do you think that is an accurate description of what cognitive biases are supposed to be? Is there any controversy about whether they are evolved or not?