The problem is that “utility” is supposed to stand for what I care about. I don’t care about happy rats or happy insects. That is why I am against that kind of project. That is also why eating meat does not bother me, even though I am pretty sure that pigs and cows can and do suffer. I might prefer that they not suffer, other things being equal, but my concern about that is tiny compared to how much I care about humans.
If utility stands for what you care about, everyone is a utilitarian by definition. Even if you only care about yourself, that just means that your utility function gives great weight to your preferences and no weight to anyone else’s.
“Utilitarian” doesn’t mean “acting according to a utility function”. Further, many people’s actions are really difficult to express in terms of a utility function, and in order even to try you need to do things like making it change a lot over time and depend heavily on the actions and/or character of the person who’s utility function it’s supposed to be.
I’m not (I think) saying that to disagree with you; if I’m understanding correctly your first sentence is intended as a sort of reductio ad absurdum of entirelyuseless’s comment. But, if so, I am saying the following to disagree with you: I think it is perfectly possible to be basically utilitarian and think animal suffering matters, without finding it likely that happy rat farms and humane insecticides are an effective way to maximize utility. And so far as I know, values of the sort you need to hold that position are quite common among basically-utilitarian people and quite common among people who identify as EAs.
The problem is that “utility” is supposed to stand for what I care about. I don’t care about happy rats or happy insects. That is why I am against that kind of project. That is also why eating meat does not bother me, even though I am pretty sure that pigs and cows can and do suffer. I might prefer that they not suffer, other things being equal, but my concern about that is tiny compared to how much I care about humans.
You might not care about happy rats but a sizable number of EA’s care about animal suffering.
If utility stands for what you care about, everyone is a utilitarian by definition. Even if you only care about yourself, that just means that your utility function gives great weight to your preferences and no weight to anyone else’s.
“Utilitarian” doesn’t mean “acting according to a utility function”. Further, many people’s actions are really difficult to express in terms of a utility function, and in order even to try you need to do things like making it change a lot over time and depend heavily on the actions and/or character of the person who’s utility function it’s supposed to be.
I’m not (I think) saying that to disagree with you; if I’m understanding correctly your first sentence is intended as a sort of reductio ad absurdum of entirelyuseless’s comment. But, if so, I am saying the following to disagree with you: I think it is perfectly possible to be basically utilitarian and think animal suffering matters, without finding it likely that happy rat farms and humane insecticides are an effective way to maximize utility. And so far as I know, values of the sort you need to hold that position are quite common among basically-utilitarian people and quite common among people who identify as EAs.