Oh, it’s gebru. Yeah, she’s a bit dug in on some of her opinions in ways I don’t think are exactly true, but overall, I agree with most of her points. My key point remains—most of her criticisms are pretty reasonable, and saying “this is misinformation!” is not a useful response to a post with a bunch of reasonable criticisms applied to bucket-errored descriptions. Seems like she’s correctly inferring that the money has had a corrupting influence, which is a point I think many effective altruists should be drastically more worried about at all times, forevermore; but she’s also describing a problem-containing system from a distance while trying to push against people crediting parts of it that don’t deserve the given credit, and so her discrediting is somewhat misaimed. Since I mostly agree with her, we’d have to get into the weeds to be more specific.
She’s trying to take down a bad system. I see no reason to claim she shouldn’t; effective altruists should instead help take down that bad system and prove they have done so, but refuse to give up their name. Anything that can accurately be described “Effective altruism” is necessarily better than “ineffective altruism”; to the degree her post is a bad one, it’s because of conflating names, general social groups, and specific orgs. It’s a common practice for left-leaning folks to do such things, and I do think it brings discourse down, but as a left-leaning folk myself, I try to respond to it by improving the discourse and not wasting words on taking sides. I don’t disagree with your worry, but I think the way to respond to commentary like this is to actually discuss which parts of the criticism you can agree with.
But, more importantly—that’s already in progress, and your post’s title and contents don’t really give me a way to take action. It’s just a post of the article.
Oh, it’s gebru. Yeah, she’s a bit dug in on some of her opinions in ways I don’t think are exactly true, but overall, I agree with most of her points. My key point remains—most of her criticisms are pretty reasonable, and saying “this is misinformation!” is not a useful response to a post with a bunch of reasonable criticisms applied to bucket-errored descriptions. Seems like she’s correctly inferring that the money has had a corrupting influence, which is a point I think many effective altruists should be drastically more worried about at all times, forevermore; but she’s also describing a problem-containing system from a distance while trying to push against people crediting parts of it that don’t deserve the given credit, and so her discrediting is somewhat misaimed. Since I mostly agree with her, we’d have to get into the weeds to be more specific.
She’s trying to take down a bad system. I see no reason to claim she shouldn’t; effective altruists should instead help take down that bad system and prove they have done so, but refuse to give up their name. Anything that can accurately be described “Effective altruism” is necessarily better than “ineffective altruism”; to the degree her post is a bad one, it’s because of conflating names, general social groups, and specific orgs. It’s a common practice for left-leaning folks to do such things, and I do think it brings discourse down, but as a left-leaning folk myself, I try to respond to it by improving the discourse and not wasting words on taking sides. I don’t disagree with your worry, but I think the way to respond to commentary like this is to actually discuss which parts of the criticism you can agree with.
But, more importantly—that’s already in progress, and your post’s title and contents don’t really give me a way to take action. It’s just a post of the article.