I’ve met (way) more than my fair share of anarcho-communists. They’re real, fairly intelligent and reasonably well educated people who simultaneously hold what I believe to be radically opposed and mutually conflicting philosophies. The fact they exist doesn’t make those philosophies any less radically opposed or mutually conflicting. It does make them kind of funny, though.
As regards the tautology claim, I’m not saying people who share my sense of humour will prefer things I also find funny. I’m saying that my sense of humour is informed by my tendency to spontaneously formulate inappropriate responses to situations. Impropriety is in many ways an aesthetic property, and other people with that tendency to formulate inappropriate responses to situations will have an aesthetic appreciation for it when they see it carried out by other people.
I wasn’t meaning that existence of Nazis fucking the police implies absence of contradiction in that action, but rather that “fuck the police” and swastika aren’t necessarily immediately perceived as symbols of opposed ideologies. I know what a swastika symbolises, but as for “fuck the police”, my internal ideology analyser returned a rather generic “political contrarian” label, under which Nazis can be classified without difficulty. Needless to say, I have no knowledge of gangsta rap.
(In a sense, putting two contradictory ideologies together makes them somewhat cancel each other and makes the whole thing less inappropriate. Combining two compatible symbols would have a stronger effect, as long as inappropriateness is the main goal.)
I think a distinction needs to be drawn between “inappropriate” and “shocking”. Shock is about the magnitude of anticipated response, whereas impropriety is about things being out of place. They can go hand in hand (the most inappropriate things usually have a shocking aspect), but they don’t quite work in the same way.
If you want to maximise shock, you transgress the biggest taboos you have available, but if you transgress too many at once it stops being shocking and starts being farcical. If you want to maximise impropriety, you need to provide something tailor-made to transgress the specific taboos of the situation you’re in. By way of example, if a gynecologist wolf-whistles while giving a patient a pelvic exam, that’s inappropriate. If he stabs her to death, that’s shocking. If he chops her up into bits and feeds her to orphans working in his sweatshop that manufactures clubs for killing baby seals, that’s farcical.
The contradictory nature of “fuck the police” in swastikas is somewhat farcical, making it irreverant about serious issues in a way that isn’t as bluntly shocking. This is probably the “cancelling out” you mention. It could certainly be more shocking, but it’s supposed to be out of place, not to generate a response of high magnitude.
I’ve met (way) more than my fair share of anarcho-communists. They’re real, fairly intelligent and reasonably well educated people who simultaneously hold what I believe to be radically opposed and mutually conflicting philosophies. The fact they exist doesn’t make those philosophies any less radically opposed or mutually conflicting. It does make them kind of funny, though.
As regards the tautology claim, I’m not saying people who share my sense of humour will prefer things I also find funny. I’m saying that my sense of humour is informed by my tendency to spontaneously formulate inappropriate responses to situations. Impropriety is in many ways an aesthetic property, and other people with that tendency to formulate inappropriate responses to situations will have an aesthetic appreciation for it when they see it carried out by other people.
I wasn’t meaning that existence of Nazis fucking the police implies absence of contradiction in that action, but rather that “fuck the police” and swastika aren’t necessarily immediately perceived as symbols of opposed ideologies. I know what a swastika symbolises, but as for “fuck the police”, my internal ideology analyser returned a rather generic “political contrarian” label, under which Nazis can be classified without difficulty. Needless to say, I have no knowledge of gangsta rap.
(In a sense, putting two contradictory ideologies together makes them somewhat cancel each other and makes the whole thing less inappropriate. Combining two compatible symbols would have a stronger effect, as long as inappropriateness is the main goal.)
I think a distinction needs to be drawn between “inappropriate” and “shocking”. Shock is about the magnitude of anticipated response, whereas impropriety is about things being out of place. They can go hand in hand (the most inappropriate things usually have a shocking aspect), but they don’t quite work in the same way.
If you want to maximise shock, you transgress the biggest taboos you have available, but if you transgress too many at once it stops being shocking and starts being farcical. If you want to maximise impropriety, you need to provide something tailor-made to transgress the specific taboos of the situation you’re in. By way of example, if a gynecologist wolf-whistles while giving a patient a pelvic exam, that’s inappropriate. If he stabs her to death, that’s shocking. If he chops her up into bits and feeds her to orphans working in his sweatshop that manufactures clubs for killing baby seals, that’s farcical.
The contradictory nature of “fuck the police” in swastikas is somewhat farcical, making it irreverant about serious issues in a way that isn’t as bluntly shocking. This is probably the “cancelling out” you mention. It could certainly be more shocking, but it’s supposed to be out of place, not to generate a response of high magnitude.