Aha. I hadn’t been aware of that conflict between cryonics and cryobiologist. I plan to go and read the Alcor page in full, then the letter in full, but right now one thing comes to mind: whatever document justifies the cryobiologists’ decision to outright ban cryonics should lay out the most credible extant arguments against cryonics. They wouldn’t take such a serious decision on a whim.
Very interesting. I like to synthesize and summarize, so this is my synopsis.
I read that they have one mild moral objection, that they were willing to stand behind over several drafts, and one scientific objection, that they were not willing to reiterate.
1st objection: you shouldn’t sell a technological service that hasn’t been scientifically demonstrated (presumably, even if the buyer is aware that they’re only buying a potential technology)
It is interesting that they would like to call this fraud even though they can’t quite:
“the implication of ultimate reanimation borders more on fraud than either faith or science.”
(This reminds me of the argument I lost as to whether people would be justified in thinking that cryonics was a scam for some weak interpretation of ‘scam’ .)
2nd objection: that however people are cryo-preserved now, it is unlikely to be un-doable
in light of current scientific understanding of freezing injury in cells and tissues, even in the presence of cryo-preservatives, it is the Board’s scientific judgment that the prospects for re-animation of a frozen human, particularly a legally dead human, are infinitesimally low.
I don’t agree with the first objection: if informed people want to pay for the chance of reanimation, I think that’s their decision.
The second objection would be strong, if it were true that cryo-preservation causes irreversible damage (information loss), but that appears currently undecided.
The second objection would be strong, if it were true that cryo-preservation causes irreversible damage (information loss), but that appears currently undecided.
All the arguments I’ve found so far that are in favour of that position are either very vague on details, or fatally flawed on details. Most cryonics critics don’t appear to understand the issue of information theoretic death clearly enough to articulate a position on it.
Aha. I hadn’t been aware of that conflict between cryonics and cryobiologist. I plan to go and read the Alcor page in full, then the letter in full, but right now one thing comes to mind: whatever document justifies the cryobiologists’ decision to outright ban cryonics should lay out the most credible extant arguments against cryonics. They wouldn’t take such a serious decision on a whim.
[EDIT: the below is wrong.]
As far as I can tell, there is no such document. This I consider very striking evidence on the credibility of anticryonics.
Of course the by-law is 28 years old, so even if there were such a document it would need updating.
I’m wrong: I found the document and some earlier drafts.
Very interesting. I like to synthesize and summarize, so this is my synopsis.
I read that they have one mild moral objection, that they were willing to stand behind over several drafts, and one scientific objection, that they were not willing to reiterate.
1st objection: you shouldn’t sell a technological service that hasn’t been scientifically demonstrated (presumably, even if the buyer is aware that they’re only buying a potential technology)
It is interesting that they would like to call this fraud even though they can’t quite:
(This reminds me of the argument I lost as to whether people would be justified in thinking that cryonics was a scam for some weak interpretation of ‘scam’ .)
2nd objection: that however people are cryo-preserved now, it is unlikely to be un-doable
I don’t agree with the first objection: if informed people want to pay for the chance of reanimation, I think that’s their decision.
The second objection would be strong, if it were true that cryo-preservation causes irreversible damage (information loss), but that appears currently undecided.
All the arguments I’ve found so far that are in favour of that position are either very vague on details, or fatally flawed on details. Most cryonics critics don’t appear to understand the issue of information theoretic death clearly enough to articulate a position on it.
Thanks. The revision history is particularly interesting.