This seems to me like another instance of… not sure how to call it precisely, but switching between two different (actually contradictory) positions:
We should pay attention to Adams because he explains truthfully what Trump does.
We should pay attention to Adams because he uses the same kind of lies Trump does, thus illustrating what Trump does.
So, which one is it? Should we pay attention to what Adams says, or what Adams does? When Adams say “X” should we interpret it as “Adams believes that X is true” or “Adams believes that X is false, and that saying ‘X is true’ is a good example of what a master liar would say”?
LawrenceC said it much better then me. Trump-style “master persuasion” is not the same as “model rationalist disagreement”. Unless perhaps that is exactly the point you were trying to make, in which case it would help to make it explicit.
Why do you use the term “master liar” over the term “master persuader” which is the one that Adams and Miller use and also the one that makes better sense the things Adams and Miller say? There is very obviously no contradiction unless you use the term and framing that you’re trying to place on them.
This seems to me like another instance of… not sure how to call it precisely, but switching between two different (actually contradictory) positions:
We should pay attention to Adams because he explains truthfully what Trump does.
We should pay attention to Adams because he uses the same kind of lies Trump does, thus illustrating what Trump does.
So, which one is it? Should we pay attention to what Adams says, or what Adams does? When Adams say “X” should we interpret it as “Adams believes that X is true” or “Adams believes that X is false, and that saying ‘X is true’ is a good example of what a master liar would say”?
Because it can’t be both at the same time.
I don’t think I ever claimed “We should pay attention to Adams because he uses the same kind of lies Trump does, thus illustrating what Trump does.”
LawrenceC said it much better then me. Trump-style “master persuasion” is not the same as “model rationalist disagreement”. Unless perhaps that is exactly the point you were trying to make, in which case it would help to make it explicit.
Why do you use the term “master liar” over the term “master persuader” which is the one that Adams and Miller use and also the one that makes better sense the things Adams and Miller say? There is very obviously no contradiction unless you use the term and framing that you’re trying to place on them.