I understand (and agree with) the “off-topic” objection, but there is still one thing that does not make sense to me. Approximately this:
When men start talking about “men have problems too” within a feminist platform, they are told to shut up, because that is off-topic, an “oppression olympics”, etc.
On the other hand, when men start talking about “men have problems too” outside of feminist platform (on their own platform), they are also told to shut up, because either a) their ideas are compatible with feminism, so they should consider themselves a subset of feminism and not start a distinct platform, or b) their ideas are not compatible with feminism, which makes them evil oppressors.
So the discussion about men’s problems within feminist circles is labeled off-topic, but the discussion outside feminist circles is labeled anti-feminist, therefore evil. Where exactly is then this discussion supposed to happen? Nowhere?
I apologize for the simplification of the problem, but essentially the question is this: If I notice that feminists complain that X happens only to women, and I am honestly convinced that X happens to men too, which is the best way (preferred by the feminists) to discuss this?
(The analogy with FAI and breast cancer would be if FAI proponents constantly labeled the breast-cancer awareness websites and their participants as evil, because their petty concerns remove attention and resources from the serious problems of x-risks. Also: “cancer olympics” “No, seriously, what about teh boobz?” etc.)
I understand (and agree with) the “off-topic” objection, but there is still one thing that does not make sense to me. Approximately this:
When men start talking about “men have problems too” within a feminist platform, they are told to shut up, because that is off-topic, an “oppression olympics”, etc.
On the other hand, when men start talking about “men have problems too” outside of feminist platform (on their own platform), they are also told to shut up, because either a) their ideas are compatible with feminism, so they should consider themselves a subset of feminism and not start a distinct platform, or b) their ideas are not compatible with feminism, which makes them evil oppressors.
So the discussion about men’s problems within feminist circles is labeled off-topic, but the discussion outside feminist circles is labeled anti-feminist, therefore evil. Where exactly is then this discussion supposed to happen? Nowhere?
I apologize for the simplification of the problem, but essentially the question is this: If I notice that feminists complain that X happens only to women, and I am honestly convinced that X happens to men too, which is the best way (preferred by the feminists) to discuss this?
(The analogy with FAI and breast cancer would be if FAI proponents constantly labeled the breast-cancer awareness websites and their participants as evil, because their petty concerns remove attention and resources from the serious problems of x-risks. Also: “cancer olympics” “No, seriously, what about teh boobz?” etc.)