To be clear, it was only the first part I doubted (that most people believe that women psychologically harmed by rape deserved it or is a weakling), not the second (that people recognize that sentiment as socially disapproved).
That people don’t want to themselves discuss it with a particular victim, or think the woman would be better off not dwelling on it (which is a different model of psychological healing, not of the justifiability of the rape, imo), or that rape is over publicized in relationship to other problems, are different sentiments than your 7:35 comment seems to be arguing for, both more credible that people believe it, and less offenisive on the face of it if they do.
“Also, please do make sure you’ve noticed (I think you did, but your observations / response if I assume that you did are unexpected to me) that I’m mainly talking about “some strong negative affect” (of any kind, in general), not necessarily the specific “She deserved it!”. ”
Hyperbole, then? I don’t see how one would notice what you were mainly talking about, when “she deserved it” was the first judgement described.
Hyperbole, then? I don’t see how one would notice what you were mainly talking about, when “she deserved it” was the first judgement described.
Really? Is that the message I’m sending? Wow.
(in case of doubt: Not sarcastic)
I usually read enumeration statements of the form ‘A or B or some other C’, where C includes A and B, as “Here are two examples of C things to avoid confusion, and it’s one of the C things”. If I’m either not interpreting this right at all or I wasn’t actually communicating this for some reason, I really want to know.
Well,
“[Average Americans think that if a woman complains of a rape in some form, then] she probably deserved it, or is a weakling, or some other strong negative affect.”″
I read that as that people make a negative judgement, of which be deserving or being a weakling is among them not uncommonly and is typical of the category in general.
If you wanted to demonstrate that the “deserved it” judgement was an outlier, I would expect some modifier or formulation like “[they consider...] that she’s overplaying it, or some other negative effect, even seemingly that she deserved it somehow.”
To be clear, it was only the first part I doubted (that most people believe that women psychologically harmed by rape deserved it or is a weakling), not the second (that people recognize that sentiment as socially disapproved).
That people don’t want to themselves discuss it with a particular victim, or think the woman would be better off not dwelling on it (which is a different model of psychological healing, not of the justifiability of the rape, imo), or that rape is over publicized in relationship to other problems, are different sentiments than your 7:35 comment seems to be arguing for, both more credible that people believe it, and less offenisive on the face of it if they do.
“Also, please do make sure you’ve noticed (I think you did, but your observations / response if I assume that you did are unexpected to me) that I’m mainly talking about “some strong negative affect” (of any kind, in general), not necessarily the specific “She deserved it!”. ”
Hyperbole, then? I don’t see how one would notice what you were mainly talking about, when “she deserved it” was the first judgement described.
Really? Is that the message I’m sending? Wow.
(in case of doubt: Not sarcastic)
I usually read enumeration statements of the form ‘A or B or some other C’, where C includes A and B, as “Here are two examples of C things to avoid confusion, and it’s one of the C things”. If I’m either not interpreting this right at all or I wasn’t actually communicating this for some reason, I really want to know.
Well, “[Average Americans think that if a woman complains of a rape in some form, then] she probably deserved it, or is a weakling, or some other strong negative affect.”″
I read that as that people make a negative judgement, of which be deserving or being a weakling is among them not uncommonly and is typical of the category in general.
If you wanted to demonstrate that the “deserved it” judgement was an outlier, I would expect some modifier or formulation like “[they consider...] that she’s overplaying it, or some other negative effect, even seemingly that she deserved it somehow.”
Unless you were trying to invoke this trope:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking