In this community? You don’t need a lot of evidence that something “may not exist”, if it hasn’t been observed so far. What’s your evidence that Jews plotting the downfall of Western Civilization may not exist?
If you’re talking about the world and general then yeah, they exist, sure.
If you’re talking about imaginary Oog and Argh-land, then I’m not sure what kind of evidence you’re expecting.
So, X% of the world is sexists willing to assert quasi-reasonable arguments that are either fully general counter-arguments or not-true-rejection behavior. And we seem to agree that X > 30.
The LW community is drawn from that world. I’m not aware of anything in the selection process that selects against the attitudes described. Even if there is some selection pressure, the assertion that literally no one with the problematic attitudes makes in through that process is an extraordinary claim.
Consider that LW strongly selects for people who want to think about the problems inherent in hard-takeoff AGI. Yet there is a substantial component in this community that is skeptical that hard-takeoff AGI is possible.
From an object level point of view, I think that some of the motivation for discussing whether short skirts increase stranger rape risk is not-true-rejection behavior to avoid discussing acquaintance rape—a far more frequent kind of rape that requires very different responses.
From an object level point of view, I think that some of the motivation for discussing whether short skirts increase stranger rape risk is not-true-rejection behavior to avoid discussing acquaintance rape—a far more frequent kind of rape that requires very different responses.
Or it requires the same response but it is much harder and less likely for people as individuals and as a community to actually perform in practice. That response obviously being “lock the @#%@ up then when the term expires take whatever rehabiliation and recurrence prevention measures research finds to be most effective with criminals for ensuring the safety of others.”
I think that some of the motivation for discussing whether short skirts increase stranger rape risk is not-true-rejection behavior to avoid discussing acquaintance rape—a far more frequent kind of rape that requires very different responses.
I’m not certain how different the responses actually are in this particular context. We might expect effective risk-minimization behavior to look different overall, but if there’s anything to the theory that victims’ social presentation styles are a risk factor for rape in general, I’d expect them to be a risk factor for acquaintance rapes unless we have some particularly good reason to think that rapists of strangers have unique psychology in this respect.
Indeed, the only empirical data I remember being linked in this thread found its strongest links for date and spousal rape, though the association looks to be on the weak side either way.
The study looked as though it was pretty hypothetical.
There’s one I can’t find at the moment which was based on interviewing rapists, and it concluded that rapists select for vulnerability (a drunk woman at a bar who’s by herself) rather than by clothing.
What evidence is there for this position?
In this community? You don’t need a lot of evidence that something “may not exist”, if it hasn’t been observed so far. What’s your evidence that Jews plotting the downfall of Western Civilization may not exist?
If you’re talking about the world and general then yeah, they exist, sure.
If you’re talking about imaginary Oog and Argh-land, then I’m not sure what kind of evidence you’re expecting.
So, X% of the world is sexists willing to assert quasi-reasonable arguments that are either fully general counter-arguments or not-true-rejection behavior. And we seem to agree that X > 30.
The LW community is drawn from that world. I’m not aware of anything in the selection process that selects against the attitudes described. Even if there is some selection pressure, the assertion that literally no one with the problematic attitudes makes in through that process is an extraordinary claim.
Consider that LW strongly selects for people who want to think about the problems inherent in hard-takeoff AGI. Yet there is a substantial component in this community that is skeptical that hard-takeoff AGI is possible.
From an object level point of view, I think that some of the motivation for discussing whether short skirts increase stranger rape risk is not-true-rejection behavior to avoid discussing acquaintance rape—a far more frequent kind of rape that requires very different responses.
Or it requires the same response but it is much harder and less likely for people as individuals and as a community to actually perform in practice. That response obviously being “lock the @#%@ up then when the term expires take whatever rehabiliation and recurrence prevention measures research finds to be most effective with criminals for ensuring the safety of others.”
Fair enough.
I’m not certain how different the responses actually are in this particular context. We might expect effective risk-minimization behavior to look different overall, but if there’s anything to the theory that victims’ social presentation styles are a risk factor for rape in general, I’d expect them to be a risk factor for acquaintance rapes unless we have some particularly good reason to think that rapists of strangers have unique psychology in this respect.
Indeed, the only empirical data I remember being linked in this thread found its strongest links for date and spousal rape, though the association looks to be on the weak side either way.
The study looked as though it was pretty hypothetical.
There’s one I can’t find at the moment which was based on interviewing rapists, and it concluded that rapists select for vulnerability (a drunk woman at a bar who’s by herself) rather than by clothing.