Frank Hirsch wrote: “Having established that there is no such thing as a free will, the practical thing to do is to go on and pretend there was.”.
I would agree with this, similarly for everything else in normality ™.
Unknown wrote: “Eliezer’s point (a quite justified one) is that the word “choice” is a name for something that human beings do, just as the name “apple” is a name for something human beings find in the world. Whatever you think an apple is, if you say it is only an illusion, then you’re not talking about apples, but something else. Likewise, whatever you might think a choice is, if you say it is only an illusion, you’re not talking about choices, but something else. For choice just means one of the things that people actually do in the real world, so it is quite real, not an illusion.”
And I am saying it is a mistake to mix up this thinking with fundamental physics such as controlling the width of the worlds or other many world concepts. This is the stuff of the laplacian demon and it needs no concepts of “apple”, “choice” or “human” to predict the universe. Admittedly it probably has to be outside this universe as we know it (i.e. we are in a simulator or something).
Michael Vasser: “When you say “the configuration space” you have the human. The human is part of the configuration space. It’s not multiplying entities to have a human and his hand or a hand and the hand’s figures. A different configuration space, one that differed only in that it contained a different human rather than this human, would cause a different future.”
How do I know I have a human or not in a configuration space. Please transmit a program for determining whether I have human or not with a description of the configuration space and rules of the system. Do not increase the size of the program above one that only has the configuration space, or tell me what more having the human detection part would allow me to predict about the future state of the configuration space.
Frank Hirsch wrote: “Having established that there is no such thing as a free will, the practical thing to do is to go on and pretend there was.”.
I would agree with this, similarly for everything else in normality ™.
Unknown wrote: “Eliezer’s point (a quite justified one) is that the word “choice” is a name for something that human beings do, just as the name “apple” is a name for something human beings find in the world. Whatever you think an apple is, if you say it is only an illusion, then you’re not talking about apples, but something else. Likewise, whatever you might think a choice is, if you say it is only an illusion, you’re not talking about choices, but something else. For choice just means one of the things that people actually do in the real world, so it is quite real, not an illusion.”
And I am saying it is a mistake to mix up this thinking with fundamental physics such as controlling the width of the worlds or other many world concepts. This is the stuff of the laplacian demon and it needs no concepts of “apple”, “choice” or “human” to predict the universe. Admittedly it probably has to be outside this universe as we know it (i.e. we are in a simulator or something).
Michael Vasser: “When you say “the configuration space” you have the human. The human is part of the configuration space. It’s not multiplying entities to have a human and his hand or a hand and the hand’s figures. A different configuration space, one that differed only in that it contained a different human rather than this human, would cause a different future.”
How do I know I have a human or not in a configuration space. Please transmit a program for determining whether I have human or not with a description of the configuration space and rules of the system. Do not increase the size of the program above one that only has the configuration space, or tell me what more having the human detection part would allow me to predict about the future state of the configuration space.