What’s obvious to one person is seldom obvious to everybody else.
You’re preaching to the choir here. But when Warrigal announces some grand new idea, but just shrugs of even the importance of spelling out its implications, that’s well beyond “not noticing something that’s obvious to others” and into the territory of “not giving a s---, but expecting people to do your work for you.”
As for being degrading, I was attempting, via irony, to help you to understand the impact of a particular style of comment.
Right. I “got” that the first time around (even before PS), thanks. That wasn’t what I was referring to as “degrading”; it was actually pretty clever. Good work!
The degrading bit was where you do the internet equivalent of calling someone out in public, and then going through your accumulated list of their flaws, so anyone else who doesn’t like the resident “bad guy” (guy who actually says what everyone else isn’t willing to take the karma hit for) can join the pile-on.
In this case, it honestly didn’t occur to me to send a private message.
Sure, because what you were trying to accomplish (self-promotion, “us vs. them”)wouldn’t have been satisfied by a private message, so of course it’s not going to occur to you.
Other people seem to manage to PM me when I’m out of line (won’t name names here). But that’s generally because they’re actually interested in improving my posting, not in grandstanding.
I see no “accumulated list of [your] flaws” in what conchis has posted here. I see some comments on what you said on this particular occasion; and I see, embedded in something that (as you say you understood, and I’m sure you did) was deliberately nasty in style in order to make a point, the claim that you’ve exhibited the same pathology elsewhere as is on display here. No accumulated list; a single flaw, and even that mentioned only to point up the distinction between criticizing what someone has written and criticizing them personally.
Also: You’re being needlessly obnoxious; please desist. I am saying this in public rather than by PM because what I am trying to accomplish is (some small amount of) disincentive for other people who might wish to be obnoxious themselves. I am interested in improving not only your posting but LW as a whole.
And, FWIW, so far as I can tell I have no recollection of your past behaviour on LW, and in particular I am not saying this because I “don’t like” you.
I’m willing to apologise for publicly calling you out. While I’m still not totally convinced that PMing would have been optimal in this instance, it was a failing on my part not to have considered it at all, and I’m certainly sorry for any hurt I may have caused.
I’m also sorry that you seem to have such a poor impression of me that you can’t think of any way to explain my behaviour other than self-promotion and grandstanding. Not really big on argumentative charity are you?
I apologize for loading up on the negative motives I attributed to you. I appreciate your feedback, I would just prefer it not be done in a way that makes a spectacle of it all.
You’re preaching to the choir here. But when Warrigal announces some grand new idea, but just shrugs of even the importance of spelling out its implications, that’s well beyond “not noticing something that’s obvious to others” and into the territory of “not giving a s---, but expecting people to do your work for you.”
Right. I “got” that the first time around (even before PS), thanks. That wasn’t what I was referring to as “degrading”; it was actually pretty clever. Good work!
The degrading bit was where you do the internet equivalent of calling someone out in public, and then going through your accumulated list of their flaws, so anyone else who doesn’t like the resident “bad guy” (guy who actually says what everyone else isn’t willing to take the karma hit for) can join the pile-on.
Sure, because what you were trying to accomplish (self-promotion, “us vs. them”)wouldn’t have been satisfied by a private message, so of course it’s not going to occur to you.
Other people seem to manage to PM me when I’m out of line (won’t name names here). But that’s generally because they’re actually interested in improving my posting, not in grandstanding.
I see no “accumulated list of [your] flaws” in what conchis has posted here. I see some comments on what you said on this particular occasion; and I see, embedded in something that (as you say you understood, and I’m sure you did) was deliberately nasty in style in order to make a point, the claim that you’ve exhibited the same pathology elsewhere as is on display here. No accumulated list; a single flaw, and even that mentioned only to point up the distinction between criticizing what someone has written and criticizing them personally.
Also: You’re being needlessly obnoxious; please desist. I am saying this in public rather than by PM because what I am trying to accomplish is (some small amount of) disincentive for other people who might wish to be obnoxious themselves. I am interested in improving not only your posting but LW as a whole.
And, FWIW, so far as I can tell I have no recollection of your past behaviour on LW, and in particular I am not saying this because I “don’t like” you.
I’m willing to apologise for publicly calling you out. While I’m still not totally convinced that PMing would have been optimal in this instance, it was a failing on my part not to have considered it at all, and I’m certainly sorry for any hurt I may have caused.
I’m also sorry that you seem to have such a poor impression of me that you can’t think of any way to explain my behaviour other than self-promotion and grandstanding. Not really big on argumentative charity are you?
Apology accepted! :-)
I apologize for loading up on the negative motives I attributed to you. I appreciate your feedback, I would just prefer it not be done in a way that makes a spectacle of it all.
Apology likewise accepted! ;)