You may be planning to get to this later in the sequence, but if not: could you give examples of what it looks like to use outside view or psych or personality assessments as a jumping-off point? E.g., examples of the types of predictions one might make this way, or of the types of improvements you or others have found?
I’m having trouble picturing what it looks like to go through one’s life and focus on data and prediction. If I have many concrete examples, they’ll seed my brain so that the kinds of self-prediction you’re recommending are easy or automatic to start in on.
Also, any tips on how to get friends/family to give useful and honest feedback?
The predictions you should make from personality assessments and the like about yourself should be fairly isomorphic to those you’d make about other people upon learning the same data. For instance, if I know someone with a particular Myers-Briggs result, and then I learn that another person has the same one, I will expect a certain level of similarity between the two people on that basis; I should make the same guess if I discover that I have the same Myers-Briggs score as someone I know. Tests themselves often supply predictions, although they’re very vague and may require some precisification.
I’ll use the love language idea because that’s so easy to implement. There’s five of them, and while I think there’s a test available, it probably doesn’t improve much on self-diagnosis. So, I look at the descriptions of the languages, conclude that I’m a “quality time” person because that fits best, and read what it says to expect from myself: Hmm, are distractions, postponed dates, or the failure to listen especially hurtful to me? And then I take off from there. (If I can’t easily answer the question or refine my self-model relative to the provided suggestion, I assume that the description is accurate.)
Tips on getting friends/family to provide feedback: I find musing aloud about myself in an obviously tentative manner to be fairly useful at eliciting some domain-specific input. Some of my friends I can ask point-blank, although it helps to ask about specific situations (“Do you think I’m just tired?” “Was I over the line back there?”) rather than general traits that feel more judgmental to discuss (“Am I a jerk?” “Do I use people?”). When you communicate in text and keep logs, you can send people pastes of entire conversations (when this is permissible to your original interlocutor) and ask what your consultant thinks of that. If you do not remember some event, or are willing to pretend not to remember the event, then you can get whoever was with you at the time to recount it from their perspective—this process will automatically paint what you did during the event in the light of outside scrutiny.
“If I can’t easily answer the question or refine my self-model relative to the provided suggestion, I assume that the description is accurate.”
To be frank, I’m skeptical of that heuristic. For “love language,” I literally could not orient myself correctly to answer any of the questions, nor could I honestly describe myself as really matching any of those categories. But I’m quite confident that that doesn’t mean that they’re all true, it just means that none of them apply to me!
Well, note that I investigated the questions associated with the language that I did feel applied to me. If none of them seemed right even to a first approximation I would have assumed that the love languages thing didn’t make much sense or didn’t work for me in particular. My point was that once I’ve picked one that seems basically right, I don’t then cherry-pick subcomponents without a good reason.
If you’re talking to someone you suspect may be a visual thinker, and they’re not getting your point from your telling stories, you could try drawing a picture. If they now get it, that reinforces your belief that this clustering is meaningful, that they belong in that category, and it gets your point across. If they still don’t get it, that accredits the hypothesis that your point is unclear, or that they are yet another type of thinker. ;)
You may be planning to get to this later in the sequence, but if not: could you give examples of what it looks like to use outside view or psych or personality assessments as a jumping-off point? E.g., examples of the types of predictions one might make this way, or of the types of improvements you or others have found?
I’m having trouble picturing what it looks like to go through one’s life and focus on data and prediction. If I have many concrete examples, they’ll seed my brain so that the kinds of self-prediction you’re recommending are easy or automatic to start in on.
Also, any tips on how to get friends/family to give useful and honest feedback?
The predictions you should make from personality assessments and the like about yourself should be fairly isomorphic to those you’d make about other people upon learning the same data. For instance, if I know someone with a particular Myers-Briggs result, and then I learn that another person has the same one, I will expect a certain level of similarity between the two people on that basis; I should make the same guess if I discover that I have the same Myers-Briggs score as someone I know. Tests themselves often supply predictions, although they’re very vague and may require some precisification.
I’ll use the love language idea because that’s so easy to implement. There’s five of them, and while I think there’s a test available, it probably doesn’t improve much on self-diagnosis. So, I look at the descriptions of the languages, conclude that I’m a “quality time” person because that fits best, and read what it says to expect from myself: Hmm, are distractions, postponed dates, or the failure to listen especially hurtful to me? And then I take off from there. (If I can’t easily answer the question or refine my self-model relative to the provided suggestion, I assume that the description is accurate.)
Tips on getting friends/family to provide feedback: I find musing aloud about myself in an obviously tentative manner to be fairly useful at eliciting some domain-specific input. Some of my friends I can ask point-blank, although it helps to ask about specific situations (“Do you think I’m just tired?” “Was I over the line back there?”) rather than general traits that feel more judgmental to discuss (“Am I a jerk?” “Do I use people?”). When you communicate in text and keep logs, you can send people pastes of entire conversations (when this is permissible to your original interlocutor) and ask what your consultant thinks of that. If you do not remember some event, or are willing to pretend not to remember the event, then you can get whoever was with you at the time to recount it from their perspective—this process will automatically paint what you did during the event in the light of outside scrutiny.
I’d recommend editing this comment into the text of the actual post. It gives valuable detail, without which the main post is rather vague.
Included last paragraph.
“If I can’t easily answer the question or refine my self-model relative to the provided suggestion, I assume that the description is accurate.”
To be frank, I’m skeptical of that heuristic. For “love language,” I literally could not orient myself correctly to answer any of the questions, nor could I honestly describe myself as really matching any of those categories. But I’m quite confident that that doesn’t mean that they’re all true, it just means that none of them apply to me!
Well, note that I investigated the questions associated with the language that I did feel applied to me. If none of them seemed right even to a first approximation I would have assumed that the love languages thing didn’t make much sense or didn’t work for me in particular. My point was that once I’ve picked one that seems basically right, I don’t then cherry-pick subcomponents without a good reason.
If you’re talking to someone you suspect may be a visual thinker, and they’re not getting your point from your telling stories, you could try drawing a picture. If they now get it, that reinforces your belief that this clustering is meaningful, that they belong in that category, and it gets your point across. If they still don’t get it, that accredits the hypothesis that your point is unclear, or that they are yet another type of thinker. ;)