A commonplace submerged in a bucket of Nietzschean romanticism. The quote is from a book, “Bronze Age Mindset: An Exhortation” by one “Bronze Age Pervert”, presumably this Pbfgva Iynq Nynznevh (translate using rot13.com) “who has a BA in Mathematics”. (I must wonder if this is the same person as Unknown128. ETA: judging by Unknown128′s writing style in the comment he has just posted, this no longer seems likely. My apologies for identifying you as someone who is all-but-literally Hitler.)
The book can be found by searching the net for phrases taken from later in the quoted text. (Many sites have this quote or part of it, but only a few have the whole work.) Due to both the content of the work and the sort of site where it is being hosted, I will not give links and will not forward a copy. One site where I found it displayed porn popups. Another professed itself to be a place for hosting weird stuff for the lolz, and from what I briefly saw, I would not care to spend any time there.
The PDF I found is not internally searchable (though paradoxically, was Googleable) and the pages are not numbered, but the passage is in section 22 on the 25th page.
To give an idea of what sort of work this is, here are a few more quotes. Ellipses are mine, for brevity, as the PDF does not support copying. [ETA: I was using OSX Preview, which reads most PDFs, but has limitations. Adobe Acrobat Reader is able to search and copy the text.]
Near end of Prologue:
In the Bronze Age men had life and force, and I already see … this spirit returning surely in our time. … May they inhabit us again and give us strength to purify this world of refuse!
Sections 1 and 2:
You had in years before Trump, the fat bald gluttons of the Right put in a fighting ring against the Janet Renos, the womyn with pickup trucks, the thin-lipped transnumales of the Left. …
Group of horses in broad plain, and the lead stallion is captured by a wild spirit, starts to gallop this way and that, and the whole herd follows in a great rush of power and freedom—Nietzsche talks about this.
Section 20:
Animals walk around in a state of permanent religious intoxication.
Presumably the same religious intoxication as is referred to in the OP a few pages later.
Section 49:
Life appears at its peak not in the grass hut village ruled by nutso mammies, but in the military state. …
The free man is a warrior, and only a man of war is a real man.
In section 77, the final one, he foresees in language too verbose to quote, the rise of a few strong men who will leave this rotten civilisation, create their own fortresses, “develop above all their physical powers and their ability to wage war”, and on occasion “send a great demagogue into the people, when this becomes necessary”.
So. “Life appears at its peak in the military state.” “Strength to purify this world of refuse.” “A great demagogue.” Where have we heard these sentiments before?
This book aspires to be the Mein Kampf of the alt-right.
I agree it’s a terrible ideology. Still due to my ignorance in such matters and Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) (who is the Bronze age Pervert in real life) scientific background (BA in math and PhD from Yale in Political science as well as a father who works at MIT) as well as Michael Antons claim that the book was “more often right than wrong in its statements” (including taking Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) attacks on the theory of Evolution seriously) made me think that maybe what seems like irrational drivel might have some truth to it and it’s me who is ignorant? Also what about the mathematical philosophy called ” Intuitionism”?
The flirt with rationalism some of the right had a few years ago with NrX seems to be mostly over and now is the age of the likes of Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com).
The remedy for ignorance is searching for knowledge, not modestly swallowing anything anyone with a degree or two and “a father who works at MIT” tells you. And who is Michael Antons? As far as I can see, just another member of the alt-right, prominent mainly for an essay “The Flight 93 Election” (referring to the election that elected Trump, during the run-up to it). Whatever one thinks of Antons, there is nothing in that essay resembling the drunken ravings of Pbfgva Iynq Nynznevh (translate using rot13.com) who has a BA in Mathematics.
The flirt with rationalism some of the right had a few years ago with NrX seems to be mostly over and now is the age of the likes of Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com).
This is a rationalist forum, so why introduce the likes of the irrationalist Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) who has a BA in Mathematics? What is there in his wannabe Hitler shtick that should even raise him to our attention?
The concept of “concern trolling” is raised to my attention right now, even if you are not Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) (who has a BA in Mathematics) himself.
I am introducing this position because its an attack on rationalism hence me asking Rationalists what they thought about it. It seems you Rationalists are unimpressed.
Michael Anton did occupy a serious position in the Trump administration and was called a serious intellectual even by some center left sources.
I am introducing this position because its an attack on rationalism hence me asking Rationalists what they thought about it. It seems you Rationalists are unimpressed.
Which, intuitionist mathematics or the screed by Nynznevh (translate using rot13.com) who has a BA in mathematics? To the extent that they have anything to do with each other at all, they are pretty much opposite things, and for different reasons neither of them impress me.
Intuitionist mathematics sought to curb what Brouwer saw as the excesses of reason by putting up a fence limiting reason only to such methods as could be justified by (Brouwer’s) intuition.
Romanticism sees reason as a fence curbing intuition, a fence that must be destroyed to allow free rein to the passions that are hobbled by civilisation, that the strong may exult in their strength, rule over the weak, and “purify the world of refuse”.
But what do you think? You have quoted this and mentioned that, but not once ventured to express a view of your own. Put up or be dismissed as a troll.
My own position is rationalist, I do believe that the proper use of reason is essential for understanding the world. Intuition cannot be separated from reason because it will only lead one to the truth if once mind is first “calibrated” by previous scientific research/rational ordering one has to learn to think rationally, which then makes once thought patterns (both conscious and unconscious) directed towards discovering what one seeks in science. Logic is an essential part of mathematics and science in general and most scientists do look at the world in a clear-headed and disenchanted way.
I personally dislike romanticism, especially of this fascist/Nietzschian kind, but I don’t know any natural scientists and so I see it as a possibility that I am wrong and that Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) is right, hence my questions here. I do consider just about all of his ideas abhorrent. They are probably the complete opposite to mine, which is a reason why they drew my attention.
Also he seems to attack abstract ideas in favor of “direct observation”, but I have a hard time seing how one can free oneself from abstract reasoning.
A commonplace submerged in a bucket of Nietzschean romanticism. The quote is from a book, “Bronze Age Mindset: An Exhortation” by one “Bronze Age Pervert”, presumably this Pbfgva Iynq Nynznevh (translate using rot13.com) “who has a BA in Mathematics”. (I must wonder if this is the same person as Unknown128. ETA: judging by Unknown128′s writing style in the comment he has just posted, this no longer seems likely. My apologies for identifying you as someone who is all-but-literally Hitler.)
The book can be found by searching the net for phrases taken from later in the quoted text. (Many sites have this quote or part of it, but only a few have the whole work.) Due to both the content of the work and the sort of site where it is being hosted, I will not give links and will not forward a copy. One site where I found it displayed porn popups. Another professed itself to be a place for hosting weird stuff for the lolz, and from what I briefly saw, I would not care to spend any time there.
The PDF I found is not internally searchable (though paradoxically, was Googleable) and the pages are not numbered, but the passage is in section 22 on the 25th page.
To give an idea of what sort of work this is, here are a few more quotes. Ellipses are mine, for brevity, as the PDF does not support copying. [ETA: I was using OSX Preview, which reads most PDFs, but has limitations. Adobe Acrobat Reader is able to search and copy the text.]
Near end of Prologue:
Sections 1 and 2:
Section 20:
Presumably the same religious intoxication as is referred to in the OP a few pages later.
Section 49:
In section 77, the final one, he foresees in language too verbose to quote, the rise of a few strong men who will leave this rotten civilisation, create their own fortresses, “develop above all their physical powers and their ability to wage war”, and on occasion “send a great demagogue into the people, when this becomes necessary”.
So. “Life appears at its peak in the military state.” “Strength to purify this world of refuse.” “A great demagogue.” Where have we heard these sentiments before?
This book aspires to be the Mein Kampf of the alt-right.
I agree it’s a terrible ideology. Still due to my ignorance in such matters and Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) (who is the Bronze age Pervert in real life) scientific background (BA in math and PhD from Yale in Political science as well as a father who works at MIT) as well as Michael Antons claim that the book was “more often right than wrong in its statements” (including taking Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) attacks on the theory of Evolution seriously) made me think that maybe what seems like irrational drivel might have some truth to it and it’s me who is ignorant? Also what about the mathematical philosophy called ” Intuitionism”?
The flirt with rationalism some of the right had a few years ago with NrX seems to be mostly over and now is the age of the likes of Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com).
The remedy for ignorance is searching for knowledge, not modestly swallowing anything anyone with a degree or two and “a father who works at MIT” tells you. And who is Michael Antons? As far as I can see, just another member of the alt-right, prominent mainly for an essay “The Flight 93 Election” (referring to the election that elected Trump, during the run-up to it). Whatever one thinks of Antons, there is nothing in that essay resembling the drunken ravings of Pbfgva Iynq Nynznevh (translate using rot13.com) who has a BA in Mathematics.
This is a rationalist forum, so why introduce the likes of the irrationalist Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) who has a BA in Mathematics? What is there in his wannabe Hitler shtick that should even raise him to our attention?
The concept of “concern trolling” is raised to my attention right now, even if you are not Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) (who has a BA in Mathematics) himself.
Intuitionism (mathematics) has nothing to do with fascist romanticism.
I am introducing this position because its an attack on rationalism hence me asking Rationalists what they thought about it. It seems you Rationalists are unimpressed.
Michael Anton did occupy a serious position in the Trump administration and was called a serious intellectual even by some center left sources.
Which, intuitionist mathematics or the screed by Nynznevh (translate using rot13.com) who has a BA in mathematics? To the extent that they have anything to do with each other at all, they are pretty much opposite things, and for different reasons neither of them impress me.
Intuitionist mathematics sought to curb what Brouwer saw as the excesses of reason by putting up a fence limiting reason only to such methods as could be justified by (Brouwer’s) intuition.
Romanticism sees reason as a fence curbing intuition, a fence that must be destroyed to allow free rein to the passions that are hobbled by civilisation, that the strong may exult in their strength, rule over the weak, and “purify the world of refuse”.
But what do you think? You have quoted this and mentioned that, but not once ventured to express a view of your own. Put up or be dismissed as a troll.
My own position is rationalist, I do believe that the proper use of reason is essential for understanding the world. Intuition cannot be separated from reason because it will only lead one to the truth if once mind is first “calibrated” by previous scientific research/rational ordering one has to learn to think rationally, which then makes once thought patterns (both conscious and unconscious) directed towards discovering what one seeks in science. Logic is an essential part of mathematics and science in general and most scientists do look at the world in a clear-headed and disenchanted way.
I personally dislike romanticism, especially of this fascist/Nietzschian kind, but I don’t know any natural scientists and so I see it as a possibility that I am wrong and that Pbfgvaf (translate using rot13.com) is right, hence my questions here. I do consider just about all of his ideas abhorrent. They are probably the complete opposite to mine, which is a reason why they drew my attention.
Also he seems to attack abstract ideas in favor of “direct observation”, but I have a hard time seing how one can free oneself from abstract reasoning.