An inspirational quote I found while researching this subject to confirm I am right:
Our fight, of [A] against [B] over [C], is but one battle in the ancient war over [F], along the great divide between [D] and [E]. Many do not realize how many of our apparently mundane conflicts are, in reality, battles in this ancient war. Today is a crucial day in this war, so we must not give up, and we must not lose hope, or someday [D] may lose [F] forever. Fight, fight!
I note that this is isomorphic to any reasoning that successfully persuades my present self to cooperate with my community of temporal selves, whether on collectively selfish matters or otherwise. Why do you hate {discipline|cooperation|TDT|puppies}? I must conclude that rather than expressing propositional content your ideology is a will-to-power on behalf of high-conscientiousness self-communities such as yourself by attempting to disarm my tribe of the ability to pass a marshmallow test, thus leaving more marshmallows for you. I do not judge you for this, but I wish our culture could be a little more honest with itself and be sanctimonious about my values instead.
I must conclude that rather than expressing propositional content your ideology is a will-to-power on behalf of high-conscientiousness self-communities such as yourself by attempting to disarm my tribe of the ability to pass a marshmallow test, thus leaving more marshmallows for you. I do not judge you for this, but I wish our culture could be a little less honest with itself and be sanctimonious about my values instead.
I’m somewhat confused about how serious you are with this.
I must remark my admiration for your tour de force, as expressing my support for you and your achievements signals that I am within what must now be seen as the cool camp. This support comes to reinforce your upper hand on the other camp, despite the fact that your previous victory was entirely tangential to the thing that happened.
Ah, but I can prove my superior understanding by pointing to this thing, which is neither [D] or [E], but from the reference I once read, which probably was peer-reviewed by a respected panel of experts, I can tell you that it shares features from both [D] and [E]. This does not mean that I do not agree with a member that has much more karma than me, it just means that the category used here might suffer from x bias. So we should really apply that theorem from this chapter of Jaynes’ book, to obtain that after all [D] is the correct bayesian option.
Ironically (as you were probably unaware of this), Oligopsony had already made a more or less serious steelman of this argument about a year ago. Attempting to summarize, grand ideological narratives and seeming political extremism might have high expected utility if you care about boosting or suppressing a self-reinforcing trend along some axis.
Therefore, to be more TDT-agenty in this regard, you’ll have to commit to defending the undesirable/unpopular consequences of a desirable trend or attacking the desirable/popular consequences of an undesirable one—if you correctly measure how inevitable the causation is and how likely they would’ve been to arise without the trend’s progress. So you end up e.g. defending the Jacobin terror when you’re merely against slavery, or opposing intervention in domestic abuse when you’re merely in favour of traditional marriage.
And then everyone reasonable calls you a far-Blue nutjob and laughs at your slippery-slope nonsense.
An inspirational quote I found while researching this subject to confirm I am right:
For [D]!
I note that this is isomorphic to any reasoning that successfully persuades my present self to cooperate with my community of temporal selves, whether on collectively selfish matters or otherwise. Why do you hate {discipline|cooperation|TDT|puppies}? I must conclude that rather than expressing propositional content your ideology is a will-to-power on behalf of high-conscientiousness self-communities such as yourself by attempting to disarm my tribe of the ability to pass a marshmallow test, thus leaving more marshmallows for you. I do not judge you for this, but I wish our culture could be a little more honest with itself and be sanctimonious about my values instead.
I’m somewhat confused about how serious you are with this.
I’m as serious as a heart attack… about tricking you into breaking form.
(Puts on shades, skateboards into sunset.)
I must remark my admiration for your tour de force, as expressing my support for you and your achievements signals that I am within what must now be seen as the cool camp. This support comes to reinforce your upper hand on the other camp, despite the fact that your previous victory was entirely tangential to the thing that happened.
Ah, but I can prove my superior understanding by pointing to this thing, which is neither [D] or [E], but from the reference I once read, which probably was peer-reviewed by a respected panel of experts, I can tell you that it shares features from both [D] and [E]. This does not mean that I do not agree with a member that has much more karma than me, it just means that the category used here might suffer from x bias. So we should really apply that theorem from this chapter of Jaynes’ book, to obtain that after all [D] is the correct bayesian option.
Please upvote me, I’m so smart!
Ironically (as you were probably unaware of this), Oligopsony had already made a more or less serious steelman of this argument about a year ago. Attempting to summarize, grand ideological narratives and seeming political extremism might have high expected utility if you care about boosting or suppressing a self-reinforcing trend along some axis.
Therefore, to be more TDT-agenty in this regard, you’ll have to commit to defending the undesirable/unpopular consequences of a desirable trend or attacking the desirable/popular consequences of an undesirable one—if you correctly measure how inevitable the causation is and how likely they would’ve been to arise without the trend’s progress. So you end up e.g. defending the Jacobin terror when you’re merely against slavery, or opposing intervention in domestic abuse when you’re merely in favour of traditional marriage.
And then everyone reasonable calls you a far-Blue nutjob and laughs at your slippery-slope nonsense.