have a pretty decent track record of helping to find out truth.
How do you know? Science can make accurate predictions, and advise courses of action that work practically...but both of those would still be true inside the Matrix. If you think that truth is correspondence ,as rationalists are supposed to, then there is no way of proving that science is finding the truth, because there is no separate criterion that tells you correspondence has been achieved.
A track record better than say...philosophy?
Philosophy doesn’t have the option of passing off one kind of truth for another...someone would notice.
There is a criterion that tells you when correspondence has likely been achieved: Serialized experimental testing. Nothings is ever ABSOLUTELY EVER TRULY PROVEN, it’s just that if you have a belief that can accurately precise future events (experiments), then that is a strong indicator that on some level you have knowledge about the true shape of reality.
I don’t assume that we are inside the matrix as a matter of fact. I note that if we were, hypothetically, science would work just as well at making predictions, whilst failing completely at identifying the nature of reality. That’s how I am arguing that prediction and correspondence are not identical.
There is a criterion that tells you when correspondence has likely been achieved: Serialized experimental testing.
That’s a cached though for many people. The question is how does prediction lead to corresponence?
Nothings is ever ABSOLUTELY EVER TRULY PROVEN
Maybe not, but that’s not the problem. If you could make 100% accurate predictions inside the matrix, you would still have the problem outlined above.
due to the nature of the matrix-issue, it seems that in such case we wouldn’t be able to tell that we are in the matrix. at least until that which enables the characters to tell that they are in the matrix happens to you.
however, our succesful predictions still would be able to tell us something true: that inside the matrix, physical attributes of the simulation work a certain way.
I think that succesful prediction leads to correspondence because it signals that the way you think the world is, is the way in which the world actually is. Of course, one must critically analyze every concrete case, since it’s easy to misinterpret data.
however, our succesful predictions still would be able to tell us something true: that inside the matrix, physical attributes of the simulation work a certain way.
Except that its not real physics.
I think that succesful prediction leads to correspondence because it signals that the way you think the world is, is the way in which the world actually is.
I admit my ignorance of physics. Still, the point stands: even though we wouldn’t know that we were inside the Matrix, we would know how a part of it works: the “physics simulator”, even though we have a “wrong” label for it, “reality” instead of “matrix simulation”.
How? Interesting. How what? How it signals? You have concepts that represent how you think things are, inside your mind you imagine some way in which they would interact given the characteristics you think they have, and realize what you would (truly) have to perceive in order to confirm that interaction.
If you experiment and find out, after an honest analysis, that indeed that event was perceived, it would mean that the characteristics that you imagined the things have are indeed posesed by the things, if not they wouldn’t interacted like you imagined. All of this in the case you know everything there is no know about something. One should never claim to have absolute truth, because if you are wrong you won’t be able to be corrected. But of course, one can perfectly say that they have very strong reasons to believe something, because there is a history of evidence backing up that the world would work a certain way and no particular reason to believe that, for some reason, you what you believe is false and the evidence backing your false beliefs are invalid for some ??? reason. Obviously, if there is a certain anomaly that doesn’t fit the model of how the world works, by all means it should be investigated. Of course, we are always discovering new information but there is a core body ok knowledge with a lot of evidence behind it.
After writing this, i think that right now i don’t have the skills to put what you want to hear into words.
How do you know? Science can make accurate predictions, and advise courses of action that work practically...but both of those would still be true inside the Matrix. If you think that truth is correspondence ,as rationalists are supposed to, then there is no way of proving that science is finding the truth, because there is no separate criterion that tells you correspondence has been achieved.
Philosophy doesn’t have the option of passing off one kind of truth for another...someone would notice.
Why do you assume that we are inside the Matrix?
There is a criterion that tells you when correspondence has likely been achieved: Serialized experimental testing. Nothings is ever ABSOLUTELY EVER TRULY PROVEN, it’s just that if you have a belief that can accurately precise future events (experiments), then that is a strong indicator that on some level you have knowledge about the true shape of reality.
I don’t assume that we are inside the matrix as a matter of fact. I note that if we were, hypothetically, science would work just as well at making predictions, whilst failing completely at identifying the nature of reality. That’s how I am arguing that prediction and correspondence are not identical.
That’s a cached though for many people. The question is how does prediction lead to corresponence?
Maybe not, but that’s not the problem. If you could make 100% accurate predictions inside the matrix, you would still have the problem outlined above.
due to the nature of the matrix-issue, it seems that in such case we wouldn’t be able to tell that we are in the matrix. at least until that which enables the characters to tell that they are in the matrix happens to you.
however, our succesful predictions still would be able to tell us something true: that inside the matrix, physical attributes of the simulation work a certain way.
I think that succesful prediction leads to correspondence because it signals that the way you think the world is, is the way in which the world actually is. Of course, one must critically analyze every concrete case, since it’s easy to misinterpret data.
Except that its not real physics.
How?
I admit my ignorance of physics. Still, the point stands: even though we wouldn’t know that we were inside the Matrix, we would know how a part of it works: the “physics simulator”, even though we have a “wrong” label for it, “reality” instead of “matrix simulation”.
How? Interesting. How what? How it signals? You have concepts that represent how you think things are, inside your mind you imagine some way in which they would interact given the characteristics you think they have, and realize what you would (truly) have to perceive in order to confirm that interaction.
If you experiment and find out, after an honest analysis, that indeed that event was perceived, it would mean that the characteristics that you imagined the things have are indeed posesed by the things, if not they wouldn’t interacted like you imagined. All of this in the case you know everything there is no know about something. One should never claim to have absolute truth, because if you are wrong you won’t be able to be corrected. But of course, one can perfectly say that they have very strong reasons to believe something, because there is a history of evidence backing up that the world would work a certain way and no particular reason to believe that, for some reason, you what you believe is false and the evidence backing your false beliefs are invalid for some ??? reason. Obviously, if there is a certain anomaly that doesn’t fit the model of how the world works, by all means it should be investigated. Of course, we are always discovering new information but there is a core body ok knowledge with a lot of evidence behind it.
After writing this, i think that right now i don’t have the skills to put what you want to hear into words.