My error, actually. I should have explained more clearly what I mean by “conflict”… I lapsed into a bit of a cliche there, undermining the point I was building up to from the first two paragraphs.
The key is conflict with the current state of reality, distinguished from future state. If you’re busy being mad at the current state, you’re probably not working as effectively on improving the future state. Negative motivation is primarily reactive, and past/present focused rather than active and present/future focused, the way positive motivation is.
A positively-motivated person is not in conflict with the current state of reality, just because he or she desires a different state. Whereas, someone with an emotion-backed “should”, is in conflict.
So my question is/was, can you give an example of active unhappiness that derives from anything other than an objection to the current state of reality?
You implied that there’s a “middle ground” between dispassionate judgment and desperate craving, but my entire point is that positives and negatives are NOT a continuum—they’re semi-independent axes.
Some researchers, btw, note that “affective synchrony” -- i.e., the correlation or lack thereof between the two—is different under conditions of stress and non-stress, and conditions of high pain or pleasure. High pain is much more likely to be associated with low pleasure, and vice versa for high pleasure. But the rest of the time, for most people, they show near-perfect asynchrony; i.e., they’re unrelated to each other.
Which means the “middle ground” you posit is actually an illusion. What happens is that your negative and positive evaluations mostly run in parallel, until and unless one system kicks into high gear.
You could compare it to a chess program’s tree-trimming: you’re cutting off subtrees based on negative evaluation, and more deeply investigating some, based on positive evaluations.
In the ancestral environment—especially our prehuman ancestry—this is effective, because negative branches equal death, and you don’t have a lot of time to make a choice.
But in humans, most of our negative branch trimming isn’t based on actual physical danger or negative consequences: it’s based on socially-learned, status-based, self-judgment. We trim the action trees, not because we’ll fall off a cliff, but because we’ll seem like a “bad” person in some way. And our reasoning is then motivated to cover up the trimmed branches, so nobody else will spot our concerns about them.
So the trimmed branches don’t show up in consciousness for long, if at all.
But, since the evaluation modes are semi-independent, we can also have a positive evaluation for the same (socially unacceptable) thought or action that we (for the moment) don’t act on.
So we then experience temptation and mixed feelings… and occasionally find ourselves “giving in”. (Especially if nobody’s around to “catch” us!)
So this dual-axis model is phenomenally better at explaining and predicting what people actually do, than the naive linear model is. (People who approach the linear model in reality, are about as rare as people who have strongly mixed feelings all the time, at least according to one study.)
The linear model, however, seems to be what evolution wants us to believe, because it suits our need for social and personal deception much better. Among other things, it lets us pretend that our lack of action means a virtuous lack of temptation, when in fact it may simply mean we’re really afraid of being discovered!
(whew, more fodder for my eventual post or series thereof!)
My error, actually. I should have explained more clearly what I mean by “conflict”… I lapsed into a bit of a cliche there, undermining the point I was building up to from the first two paragraphs.
The key is conflict with the current state of reality, distinguished from future state. If you’re busy being mad at the current state, you’re probably not working as effectively on improving the future state. Negative motivation is primarily reactive, and past/present focused rather than active and present/future focused, the way positive motivation is.
A positively-motivated person is not in conflict with the current state of reality, just because he or she desires a different state. Whereas, someone with an emotion-backed “should”, is in conflict.
So my question is/was, can you give an example of active unhappiness that derives from anything other than an objection to the current state of reality?
You implied that there’s a “middle ground” between dispassionate judgment and desperate craving, but my entire point is that positives and negatives are NOT a continuum—they’re semi-independent axes.
Some researchers, btw, note that “affective synchrony” -- i.e., the correlation or lack thereof between the two—is different under conditions of stress and non-stress, and conditions of high pain or pleasure. High pain is much more likely to be associated with low pleasure, and vice versa for high pleasure. But the rest of the time, for most people, they show near-perfect asynchrony; i.e., they’re unrelated to each other.
Which means the “middle ground” you posit is actually an illusion. What happens is that your negative and positive evaluations mostly run in parallel, until and unless one system kicks into high gear.
You could compare it to a chess program’s tree-trimming: you’re cutting off subtrees based on negative evaluation, and more deeply investigating some, based on positive evaluations.
In the ancestral environment—especially our prehuman ancestry—this is effective, because negative branches equal death, and you don’t have a lot of time to make a choice.
But in humans, most of our negative branch trimming isn’t based on actual physical danger or negative consequences: it’s based on socially-learned, status-based, self-judgment. We trim the action trees, not because we’ll fall off a cliff, but because we’ll seem like a “bad” person in some way. And our reasoning is then motivated to cover up the trimmed branches, so nobody else will spot our concerns about them.
So the trimmed branches don’t show up in consciousness for long, if at all.
But, since the evaluation modes are semi-independent, we can also have a positive evaluation for the same (socially unacceptable) thought or action that we (for the moment) don’t act on.
So we then experience temptation and mixed feelings… and occasionally find ourselves “giving in”. (Especially if nobody’s around to “catch” us!)
So this dual-axis model is phenomenally better at explaining and predicting what people actually do, than the naive linear model is. (People who approach the linear model in reality, are about as rare as people who have strongly mixed feelings all the time, at least according to one study.)
The linear model, however, seems to be what evolution wants us to believe, because it suits our need for social and personal deception much better. Among other things, it lets us pretend that our lack of action means a virtuous lack of temptation, when in fact it may simply mean we’re really afraid of being discovered!
(whew, more fodder for my eventual post or series thereof!)