I don’t know. Patterns of upvotes and downvotes on LessWrong still mystify me.
You are right; I was, when I wrote the grandparent, confused about what utilitarianism is. Having read the other comment threads on this post, I think the reason is that popular usage of the term “utilitarianism” on this site does not match its usage elsewhere. What I thought utilitarianism was before I started commenting on LessWrong, and what I think utilitarianism is now that I’ve gotten unconfused, are the same thing (the same silly thing, imo); my interim confusion is more or less described in this thread.
My primary objections to utilitarianism remain the same: intersubjective comparability of utility (I am highly dubious about whether it’s possible), disagreement about what sorts of things experience utility in a relevant way (animals? nematodes? thermostats?) and thus ought to be considered in the calculation, divergence of utilitarian conclusions from foundational moral intuitions in non-edge cases, various repugnant conclusions.
As far as the utility monster goes, I think the main issue is that I am really not inclined to grant intersubjective comparability of experienced utility. It just does not seem coherent or meaningful to me to say that some creature, clearly very different from humans, experiences, say, “twice as much” utility at some given moment than a human does. How on earth did we come up with this number? How do we come up with any number in such a case? Forget numbers — how do we even create an ordering of experienced utility between different sorts of creatures?
So this comment seems straightforwardly confused about what utilitarianism is. Why is it up this high?
I don’t know. Patterns of upvotes and downvotes on LessWrong still mystify me.
You are right; I was, when I wrote the grandparent, confused about what utilitarianism is. Having read the other comment threads on this post, I think the reason is that popular usage of the term “utilitarianism” on this site does not match its usage elsewhere. What I thought utilitarianism was before I started commenting on LessWrong, and what I think utilitarianism is now that I’ve gotten unconfused, are the same thing (the same silly thing, imo); my interim confusion is more or less described in this thread.
My primary objections to utilitarianism remain the same: intersubjective comparability of utility (I am highly dubious about whether it’s possible), disagreement about what sorts of things experience utility in a relevant way (animals? nematodes? thermostats?) and thus ought to be considered in the calculation, divergence of utilitarian conclusions from foundational moral intuitions in non-edge cases, various repugnant conclusions.
As far as the utility monster goes, I think the main issue is that I am really not inclined to grant intersubjective comparability of experienced utility. It just does not seem coherent or meaningful to me to say that some creature, clearly very different from humans, experiences, say, “twice as much” utility at some given moment than a human does. How on earth did we come up with this number? How do we come up with any number in such a case? Forget numbers — how do we even create an ordering of experienced utility between different sorts of creatures?