One of the really big problems I’ve found with talking about mental issues is that existing psychological terminology (both of the formal and informal kinds) is way too imprecise to have a useful function.
For example, many words have completely different meanings depending on whether you operate from a fixed or growth mindset. In the growth mindset, “perfectionism” means always striving to improve yourself, no matter how good you already are. But in the fixed mindset, perfectionism means never being good enough.
Despite the superficially-similar-sounding definitions, the way these two “algorithms feel from the inside” is radically different, with correspondingly large differences on mental and physical performance.
Only Eliezer can know for sure which algorithm he’s using… but generally speaking, people with a growth mindset aren’t worried about whether something lets them off the hook, nor considering themselves awful people if they don’t succeed. Those sound like fixed-mindset traits to me.
But in the fixed mindset, perfectionism means never being good enough.
That’s the usual definition of “perfectionism,” though I’m not sure Eliezer is using the word the same way. The word seems out of place in the growth mindset.
I’m going to disagree with the grandparent here: perfectionism obviously never has any useful consequences.
The word seems out of place in the growth mindset.
shrug. If you look, you can find growth-minded people who nonetheless describe themselves as perfectionists. It’s just that they mean it the other way, i.e., that they desire and strive for perfection, rather than feeling they have to be perfect before they can consider themselves acceptable.
One of the really big problems I’ve found with talking about mental issues is that existing psychological terminology (both of the formal and informal kinds) is way too imprecise to have a useful function.
For example, many words have completely different meanings depending on whether you operate from a fixed or growth mindset. In the growth mindset, “perfectionism” means always striving to improve yourself, no matter how good you already are. But in the fixed mindset, perfectionism means never being good enough.
Despite the superficially-similar-sounding definitions, the way these two “algorithms feel from the inside” is radically different, with correspondingly large differences on mental and physical performance.
Only Eliezer can know for sure which algorithm he’s using… but generally speaking, people with a growth mindset aren’t worried about whether something lets them off the hook, nor considering themselves awful people if they don’t succeed. Those sound like fixed-mindset traits to me.
That’s the usual definition of “perfectionism,” though I’m not sure Eliezer is using the word the same way. The word seems out of place in the growth mindset.
I’m going to disagree with the grandparent here: perfectionism obviously never has any useful consequences.
shrug. If you look, you can find growth-minded people who nonetheless describe themselves as perfectionists. It’s just that they mean it the other way, i.e., that they desire and strive for perfection, rather than feeling they have to be perfect before they can consider themselves acceptable.