Thanks. I’m actually still not sure what you’re saying.
Hypothesis 1: you’re saying, stating “I hope person A does X” implies a non-dependence on person A’s information, which implies the speaker has a lot of hidden evidence (enough to make their hope unlikely to change given A’s evidence). And, people might infer that there’s this hidden evidence, and update on it, which might be a mistake.
Hypothesis 2: you’re pointing at something about how “do X, even if you have fear” is subtly coercive / gaslighty, in the sense of trying to insert an external judgement to override someone’s emotion / intuition / instinct. E.g. “out of fear” might subtly frame an aversion as a “mere emotion”.
(Just to state the obvious: it is clearly not as bad as the words “coercion” and “gaslighting” would usually imply. I am endorsing the mechanism, not the magnitude-of-badness.)
I agree that hypothesis 1 could be an underlying generator of why the effect in hypothesis 2 exists.
I think I am more confident in the prediction that these sorts of statements do influence people in ways-I-don’t-endorse, than in any specific mechanism by which that happens.
Thanks. I’m actually still not sure what you’re saying.
Hypothesis 1: you’re saying, stating “I hope person A does X” implies a non-dependence on person A’s information, which implies the speaker has a lot of hidden evidence (enough to make their hope unlikely to change given A’s evidence). And, people might infer that there’s this hidden evidence, and update on it, which might be a mistake.
Hypothesis 2: you’re pointing at something about how “do X, even if you have fear” is subtly coercive / gaslighty, in the sense of trying to insert an external judgement to override someone’s emotion / intuition / instinct. E.g. “out of fear” might subtly frame an aversion as a “mere emotion”.
(Maybe these are the same...)
Hypothesis 2 feels truer than hypothesis 1.
(Just to state the obvious: it is clearly not as bad as the words “coercion” and “gaslighting” would usually imply. I am endorsing the mechanism, not the magnitude-of-badness.)
I agree that hypothesis 1 could be an underlying generator of why the effect in hypothesis 2 exists.
I think I am more confident in the prediction that these sorts of statements do influence people in ways-I-don’t-endorse, than in any specific mechanism by which that happens.
Okay.