It seems preeeetty likely that some leaders in the community knew more or less what was up. I want people to care about whether that is true or not.
I would be quite surprised if the people I would call leaders knew of things that were as severe as Zoe’s account and “did nothing”. I care a lot whether that’s true.
It’s easy for me to interpret comments like “Reminder that Leverage 1.0 is defunct and it seems very unlikely that the same things are going on with Leverage 2.0” as essentially claiming that, while post-mortems are useful, the situation is behind us.
My intention was to say that we don’t have reason to believe there is harm actively occurring right now that we need to intervene on immediately. A day or two to figure things out is fine.
Simply put, if I were a victim, I would want to speak up for the sake of accountability, not shared examination and learning.
Based on what Zoe said plus general models of these situations, I believe how victims feel is likely complicated. I’m hesitant to make assumptions here. (Btw, see here for where some people are trying to set up an anonymous database of experiences at Leverage).
And my understanding is that this is how the community’s leaders have handled other episodes of abuse (based on 0 private information, only public / second hand information).
I might suggest creating another post (so as to not interfere too much with this one) detailing what you believe to be the case so that we can discuss and figure out any systematic issues.
I might suggest creating another post (so as to not interfere too much with this one) detailing what you believe to be the case so that we can discuss and figure out any systematic issues.
Look uhhh I believe at the very least the most basic claims about how Anna handled Robert Lecnik.
I would be quite surprised if the people I would call leaders knew of things that were as severe as Zoe’s account and “did nothing”. I care a lot whether that’s true.
(This renders on my phone as an o with a not-umlaut-but-similar over it followed by a D, and I don’t know whether that’s what it was intended to look like and I just don’t know what it means, or if it’s intended to look different than that.)
Based on what Zoe said plus general models of these situations, I believe how victims feel is likely complicated. I’m hesitant to make assumptions here. (Btw, see here for where some people are trying to set up an anonymous database of experiences at Leverage).
Having a database run by an anonymous person for that purpose seems to be very questionable. Zoe’s edited her post to reference Aella as a point person for people who want to share their stories, so that’s likely the best place.
I would be quite surprised if the people I would call leaders knew of things that were as severe as Zoe’s account and “did nothing”. I care a lot whether that’s true.
My intention was to say that we don’t have reason to believe there is harm actively occurring right now that we need to intervene on immediately. A day or two to figure things out is fine.
Based on what Zoe said plus general models of these situations, I believe how victims feel is likely complicated. I’m hesitant to make assumptions here. (Btw, see here for where some people are trying to set up an anonymous database of experiences at Leverage).
I might suggest creating another post (so as to not interfere too much with this one) detailing what you believe to be the case so that we can discuss and figure out any systematic issues.
Look uhhh I believe at the very least the most basic claims about how Anna handled Robert Lecnik.
👍 (non sarcastic)
(This renders on my phone as an o with a not-umlaut-but-similar over it followed by a D, and I don’t know whether that’s what it was intended to look like and I just don’t know what it means, or if it’s intended to look different than that.)
its a thumbsup emoji on mac OS. 👍
Having a database run by an anonymous person for that purpose seems to be very questionable. Zoe’s edited her post to reference Aella as a point person for people who want to share their stories, so that’s likely the best place.
That is the database run by Aella. By anonymous I meant it’s anonymous for the posters.