Geoff and Leverage more broadly in the past have said pretty straightforwardly that they will take pretty adversarial action if someone threatens their reputation or brand
I assume there isn’t a public record of this anywhere? Could I hear more details about what was said? This sounds atrocious to me.
I similarly feel that I can’t trust the exculpatory or positive evidence about Leverage much so long as I know there’s pressure to withhold negative information. (Including informal NDAs and such.)
On the other side, there have been a lot of really vicious and aggressive attacks to anyone saying anything pro-leverage for many years, with a strength that I think is overall even greater and harder to predict than what Geoff and Leverage have been doing. It’s also been more of a crowd-driven phenomenon, which makes it less predictable and more scary.
I agree with this too, and think it’s similarly terrible, but harder to blame any individual for (and harder to fix).
I assume it’s to a large extent an extreme example of the ‘large inferential gaps + true beliefs that sound weird’ afflicting a lot of EA orgs, including MIRI. Though if Leverage has been screwed up for a long time, some of that public reaction may also have been watered over the years by true rumors spreading about the org.
I assume there isn’t a public record of this anywhere? Could I hear more details about what was said? This sounds atrocious to me.
I similarly feel that I can’t trust the exculpatory or positive evidence about Leverage much so long as I know there’s pressure to withhold negative information. (Including informal NDAs and such.)
I agree with this too, and think it’s similarly terrible, but harder to blame any individual for (and harder to fix).
I assume it’s to a large extent an extreme example of the ‘large inferential gaps + true beliefs that sound weird’ afflicting a lot of EA orgs, including MIRI. Though if Leverage has been screwed up for a long time, some of that public reaction may also have been watered over the years by true rumors spreading about the org.