I assume this is the post you’re talking about? Reading it, I’m finding it difficult to identify why you think what you think. You seem to find a lot of things obvious, and unfortunately they are things that are seem incorrect to me, and why they seem obvious to you is opaque. You think Guaranteed Payoffs is obvious; I think it is rules out a wide class of desirable behavior, and agree with critical takes from Abram Demski, Ofer, Stuart Armstrong, and Zvi. If you put forward arguments with parts, I imagine it might be interesting to look at them in detail and identify a narrower, resolvable disagreement, but as is it doesn’t seem like that would be likely to happen in a debate, which would make it an exercise in frustration.
I assume this is the post you’re talking about? Reading it, I’m finding it difficult to identify why you think what you think. You seem to find a lot of things obvious, and unfortunately they are things that are seem incorrect to me, and why they seem obvious to you is opaque. You think Guaranteed Payoffs is obvious; I think it is rules out a wide class of desirable behavior, and agree with critical takes from Abram Demski, Ofer, Stuart Armstrong, and Zvi. If you put forward arguments with parts, I imagine it might be interesting to look at them in detail and identify a narrower, resolvable disagreement, but as is it doesn’t seem like that would be likely to happen in a debate, which would make it an exercise in frustration.