But killing oneself has a tail risk too. One is that the hell exist in our simulation, and suicide is a sin :)
Another is that quantum immortality is true AND that you will survive any attempt of the suicide but seriously injured. Personally, I don’t think it is the tail outcome, but give it high probability, but most people give it the very low probability.
Paradoxically, only cryonics could protect you against these tail outcomes, as even small chance that you will successfully cryopreserved and return to life (say 1 per cent) dominates over the chance that you will be infinitely dying but not able to die (say 0.00001 per cent) between all branches of muliverse, so you will experience 100 000 more often that you returned from cryostasis than you suffering infinitely because of quantum immortality.
Chances that you will be resurrected by evil AI only to torture you are much smaller, say 1 per cent of all cryobranches of multiverse.
It means that if you choose suicide (and believes in QI) you have 100 time more chances on eternal suffering than if you chose cryonics.
We already know that most people who attempt suicide survive. This is true even from the standard viewpoint of an external observer. This is already a good reason not to attempt suicide.
Do most only survive their first attempt and try again, or do most live a natural lifespan after a failed attempt? What proportion of these suffer debilitating injuries for their efforts?
Without citation, I remember that there are two types of suicides. One is “rational” and well planned, and they typically succeed. Other are emotional shows intended to fail, and they could happen many times as manipulative instrument. And they distort statistic.
Since it doesn’t matter to me whether you are convinced or not, I won’t provide a citation, especially since if you want to know the truth of the matter, you can find results yourself in seconds.
I did do that myself just now, though, and it turns out that most people overall fail, but most people who use a gun succeed.
Of the people who survive an attempt, it seems that 90% live a natural lifespan after that. I did not find (in the seconds I spent on it) a result concerning injuries.
One is that the hell exist in our simulation, and suicide is a sin :)
Pascal’s mugging. One could just as easily imagine a simulation such that suicide is necessary to be saved from hell. Which is more probable? We cannot say.
Another is that quantum immortality is true AND that you will survive any attempt of the suicide but seriously injured. Personally, I don’t think it is the tail outcome, but give it high probability, but most people give it the very low probability.
I also think this is more likely than not. Subjective Immortality doesn’t even require Many Worlds. A Tegmark I multiverse is sufficient. Assuming we have no immortal souls and our minds are only patterns in matter, then “you” are simultaneously every instantiation of your pattern throughout the multiverse. Attempting suicide will only force you into living only in the bad outcomes where you don’t have control over your life anymore, and thus cannot die. But this is exactly what the suicidal are trying to avoid.
Agreed about big world immortality. In the case of Pascal mugging, there are a lot of messages implanted in our culture that suicide is bad, so it increases chances that owners of simulations actually think so.
Also even if one is not signed for cryonics, but has rationalists friends, there is 0.01 percent chance of cryopreservation against his will, which dominates chances of other infinite regressions because of big world immortality. In other words, QI increases chances of your cryopreservation to almost 1.
See also my long comment below about acasual war between evil and benevolent AIs.
But killing oneself has a tail risk too. One is that the hell exist in our simulation, and suicide is a sin :)
Another is that quantum immortality is true AND that you will survive any attempt of the suicide but seriously injured. Personally, I don’t think it is the tail outcome, but give it high probability, but most people give it the very low probability.
Paradoxically, only cryonics could protect you against these tail outcomes, as even small chance that you will successfully cryopreserved and return to life (say 1 per cent) dominates over the chance that you will be infinitely dying but not able to die (say 0.00001 per cent) between all branches of muliverse, so you will experience 100 000 more often that you returned from cryostasis than you suffering infinitely because of quantum immortality.
Chances that you will be resurrected by evil AI only to torture you are much smaller, say 1 per cent of all cryobranches of multiverse.
It means that if you choose suicide (and believes in QI) you have 100 time more chances on eternal suffering than if you chose cryonics.
We already know that most people who attempt suicide survive. This is true even from the standard viewpoint of an external observer. This is already a good reason not to attempt suicide.
[Citation needed]
Do most only survive their first attempt and try again, or do most live a natural lifespan after a failed attempt? What proportion of these suffer debilitating injuries for their efforts?
Without citation, I remember that there are two types of suicides. One is “rational” and well planned, and they typically succeed. Other are emotional shows intended to fail, and they could happen many times as manipulative instrument. And they distort statistic.
Since it doesn’t matter to me whether you are convinced or not, I won’t provide a citation, especially since if you want to know the truth of the matter, you can find results yourself in seconds.
I did do that myself just now, though, and it turns out that most people overall fail, but most people who use a gun succeed.
Of the people who survive an attempt, it seems that 90% live a natural lifespan after that. I did not find (in the seconds I spent on it) a result concerning injuries.
Pascal’s mugging. One could just as easily imagine a simulation such that suicide is necessary to be saved from hell. Which is more probable? We cannot say.
I also think this is more likely than not. Subjective Immortality doesn’t even require Many Worlds. A Tegmark I multiverse is sufficient. Assuming we have no immortal souls and our minds are only patterns in matter, then “you” are simultaneously every instantiation of your pattern throughout the multiverse. Attempting suicide will only force you into living only in the bad outcomes where you don’t have control over your life anymore, and thus cannot die. But this is exactly what the suicidal are trying to avoid.
Agreed about big world immortality. In the case of Pascal mugging, there are a lot of messages implanted in our culture that suicide is bad, so it increases chances that owners of simulations actually think so.
Also even if one is not signed for cryonics, but has rationalists friends, there is 0.01 percent chance of cryopreservation against his will, which dominates chances of other infinite regressions because of big world immortality. In other words, QI increases chances of your cryopreservation to almost 1.
See also my long comment below about acasual war between evil and benevolent AIs.