If you mostly date within the BDSM community you might get an odd view of how many women prefer to submit.
[Actually, more BDSMers, male and female, prefer to submit than to top IME, but men who prefer to submit are more likely to learn to top as well. Also, I think female tops may well be more picky than male tops.]
I don’t. (BDSM is one of many things I regard as fun, and I’d hate to limit myself. Variety, and all that.)
BDSM, and its community, gives me very useful language, which in turn allow for some interesting insights. (Odd how the ability to perceive things depends in part on the ability to describe that perception.)
I don’t expect most women would react positively to “Go make me a sandwich”—submissiveness is a pretty wide spectrum, and few women are in the “Give me a collar and orders, master” end of the spectrum. Mostly they’re on the “Don’t make me make the decisions” end.
Somewhere between 60-80% (I’m giving the range of values found on Google, on the theory that at least one of them must have used good methodology) of women prefer a stay at home role. Assuming that our society as it exists regards this as a subservient role (I disagree that it is, but I find myself in the minority in every argument I’ve had about this, so I’m assuming mine is the minority position), this suggests a majority of women would prefer that role.
(It depends heavily on what questions are asked. I discarded surveys which didn’t differentiate between working for financial necessity/security and working as the preferable choice.)
Women don’t, this is true. However, this appears to be out of financial necessity, rather than desire. (And there’s a substantive question there to me—if women weren’t working, would the contracted labor supply increase wages so that they didn’t have to? Is the dual-career parental model a game-theoretic defection which forces others to defect in turn?)
Couldn’t find a study which eliminated financial necessity/security, unfortunately. Google Scholar is worse than useless (or else I suck at formulating searches on this matter), and Google mostly brings up links to the increasing number of stay-at-home-dads (in our current economy, who is surprised?).
College educated women are more likely to want to work outside the home—perhaps women who can get more interesting/responsible jobs prefer that to looking after children. Women’s preferences here may be to do with many low skill jobs being incredibly boring.
Would also like to find out how the figures vary between countries that make it easy for mothers to work (eg Sweden) and countries that make it harder for women to work (eg the US).
What makes you think the US makes it harder for women to work? (Apart from the fact that we don’t pass laws penalizing men for not taking [edited for accuracy—previously wrote one year, which apparently was only under consideration and not passed—not sure about the status of the alternatives of six months and three months which have more popularity] two months of paternity leave when children are born, I mean, which sounds to me like something out of a Vonnegut dystopia.)
It is easier for mothers to work in Sweden than in the US due to more childcare provision, more maternity leave etc. I’m not arguing that it’s good that the state should make it easier for mothers to work,* but they certainly do make it easier.
*I do think that that’s the case, but I’d rather not have an argument about that right now.
If you mostly date within the BDSM community you might get an odd view of how many women prefer to submit.
[Actually, more BDSMers, male and female, prefer to submit than to top IME, but men who prefer to submit are more likely to learn to top as well. Also, I think female tops may well be more picky than male tops.]
I don’t. (BDSM is one of many things I regard as fun, and I’d hate to limit myself. Variety, and all that.)
BDSM, and its community, gives me very useful language, which in turn allow for some interesting insights. (Odd how the ability to perceive things depends in part on the ability to describe that perception.)
I don’t expect most women would react positively to “Go make me a sandwich”—submissiveness is a pretty wide spectrum, and few women are in the “Give me a collar and orders, master” end of the spectrum. Mostly they’re on the “Don’t make me make the decisions” end.
Somewhere between 60-80% (I’m giving the range of values found on Google, on the theory that at least one of them must have used good methodology) of women prefer a stay at home role. Assuming that our society as it exists regards this as a subservient role (I disagree that it is, but I find myself in the minority in every argument I’ve had about this, so I’m assuming mine is the minority position), this suggests a majority of women would prefer that role.
What search are you using? I’m not getting those numbers.
In any case, most women don’t stay at home entirely, even after children, though they might work part time for a few years while the kids are small.
“what percentage of women want to be stay at home moms”
It’s hard to sort through the chaff, but a couple of links: http://www.moxiemag.com/moxie/articles/perspectives/womenwhowant.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/09/12/is-opting-out-the-new-american-dream-for-working-women/
(It depends heavily on what questions are asked. I discarded surveys which didn’t differentiate between working for financial necessity/security and working as the preferable choice.)
Women don’t, this is true. However, this appears to be out of financial necessity, rather than desire. (And there’s a substantive question there to me—if women weren’t working, would the contracted labor supply increase wages so that they didn’t have to? Is the dual-career parental model a game-theoretic defection which forces others to defect in turn?)
If you discard financial necessity / security as a reason, how many men want to work?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157313/half-women-prefer-job-outside-home.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=Business ← This doesn’t satisfy my necessity/security criteria (and why the hell are the statistics -weighted-?), but suggests that men may be less likely than women to prefer to stay at home.
Couldn’t find a study which eliminated financial necessity/security, unfortunately. Google Scholar is worse than useless (or else I suck at formulating searches on this matter), and Google mostly brings up links to the increasing number of stay-at-home-dads (in our current economy, who is surprised?).
College educated women are more likely to want to work outside the home—perhaps women who can get more interesting/responsible jobs prefer that to looking after children. Women’s preferences here may be to do with many low skill jobs being incredibly boring.
Perhaps also college educated women have a selection bias in favor of women who want to work outside the home.
Wish I could find better data on these things.
Would also like to find out how the figures vary between countries that make it easy for mothers to work (eg Sweden) and countries that make it harder for women to work (eg the US).
What makes you think the US makes it harder for women to work? (Apart from the fact that we don’t pass laws penalizing men for not taking [edited for accuracy—previously wrote one year, which apparently was only under consideration and not passed—not sure about the status of the alternatives of six months and three months which have more popularity] two months of paternity leave when children are born, I mean, which sounds to me like something out of a Vonnegut dystopia.)
It is easier for mothers to work in Sweden than in the US due to more childcare provision, more maternity leave etc. I’m not arguing that it’s good that the state should make it easier for mothers to work,* but they certainly do make it easier.
*I do think that that’s the case, but I’d rather not have an argument about that right now.