What is called liberal in other countries is what many Americans would call socialist
Nope, in France “libéral” is closer to American “libertarian”, i.e. pro-free markets, anti-welfare (as opposed to the “mainstream” right wing, which isn’t particularly hostile to big government, and is more about traditional values and whatnot, and of course as opposed to the socialists and other left-wingers, who are very much at odds with the liberals). I think “liberal” has the same meaning in most of Europe (and in most of the world, though I’m less sure of that), and Americans and Canadians are more of the exception (where for historicaly reasons “socialist” had anti-American connotations, so the label “liberal” was adopted instead. This is a gross oversimplification).
Thank you for the clarification. I did remember that in other countries liberal meant classically liberal as opposed to American modern liberalism. So in France, “libéral” is economically liberal but not necessarily socially permissive? Or did you mean “small-l libertarianism” when you referred to American “libertarian” and not the Libertarian Party?
Nope, in France “libéral” is closer to American “libertarian”, i.e. pro-free markets, anti-welfare (as opposed to the “mainstream” right wing, which isn’t particularly hostile to big government, and is more about traditional values and whatnot, and of course as opposed to the socialists and other left-wingers, who are very much at odds with the liberals). I think “liberal” has the same meaning in most of Europe (and in most of the world, though I’m less sure of that), and Americans and Canadians are more of the exception (where for historicaly reasons “socialist” had anti-American connotations, so the label “liberal” was adopted instead. This is a gross oversimplification).
Thank you for the clarification. I did remember that in other countries liberal meant classically liberal as opposed to American modern liberalism. So in France, “libéral” is economically liberal but not necessarily socially permissive? Or did you mean “small-l libertarianism” when you referred to American “libertarian” and not the Libertarian Party?